42 thoughts on “The Company You Keep”

  1. Can the people she has harassed and doxed send their stories in to her. I mean if she wants to tell a story, she should include all nasty shit her and her followers have done to people who don’t agree with her.


  2. Sucks to be you Nicole. You can’t even tell the story of your life better than the “trolls”. Love it Sally!


  3. I keep hitting “important documents” and all I see is “coming soon.” If this was a blog to defy the masses, and prove “the truth”… this is the first page I would have populated. You know, for evidence and credibility?!

    Oh, well, another blog created and ignored. Meh.

    Hey, in other news, the Cubs won!


  4. Anyone know what Joe has a degree in?

    I think psychology, which is hilarious. However, it’s from the University of Phoenix, if I’m not mistaken, and that is basically a diploma mill.


  5. There is zero chance that Joe has a legitimate degree.

    The more critical thinkers they block, the more their facebook pages read like bizarre incongruent ramblings between people that don’t have the capacity to grasp what anyone else is saying. It’s like listening in to a dive bar at closing time.
    It’s actually kind of fascinating.


  6. I’d just say to Joe, produce the transcripts. Or better yet let me obtain the transcripts. UoP isn’t a diploma mill by any means but it’s legitimacy has certainly been questioned. I have done some acdemic work in their graduate programs and those courses are rigorous. No, I have no degree from UoP (but a few from other universities). But UoP is not rigorous about admissions so they tend to have a bad ratio of admissions to graduates. For a time the GI Bill could not be used there because of money gobbling admission and course practices and few people actually earning a degree.

    As far as any degree Joe would produce I would absolutely doubt its authenticity without a trusted third party producing the corroborating transcripts.


  7. Oh my god, University of Phoenix. Who wants to bet Joe ran out on those loans? And that that’s part of why he won’t get a job?

    I told one of my friends repeatedly NOT to get a “degree” from there. She got the same one, all online, no clinicals or anything, and was pleased to graduate with high grades when she was so certain she wouldn’t do better than C’s, which at least was passing. She turned in sub-par work (I proof-read one of her papers, and it was bad), and yet thought she was so smart since she kept getting A’s! Then she graduated and thought she’d have this great career in psychology. She was floored that no one would hire her! Well no shit. Even when she was a student, Phoenix was in trouble for useless degrees that didn’t enable people to get professional licenses. I remember a suit against the scam school by some women whose clinical for nursing was to spend a day at a day care. They couldn’t get licenses or jobs with that.

    That friend of mine still thinks she’s top notch for psychology because of her degree, even though she never managed to get a job in it.

    So it doesn’t surprise me in the least that that’s what Joe did. Anyone can pass and claim to know everything based on that. Maybe this is why Nicole’s convinced her kids can go to college and not have problems. Apparently her idiot husband did it, though fat lot of good it did him.


  8. Sculder&Mully, the programs are often shabby. There’s a reason that UoP graduates have an extremely hard time getting jobs in the fields of their degrees. It’s so bad that students are managing to get their federal loans forgiven because they aren’t getting legitimate degrees worth a damn. Phoenix is basically the same as the Corinthian schools. All are basically mills, and none deserve respect or defense. You may not want to say that Phoenix if shabby after investing some of your time there, but that doesn’t mean that it’s an okay school. It’s a sham that should be shut out of all federal funding, then sued out of existence.


  9. Psychology is a hard field to get a job in, and the chance of getting a psych realted job with an Associate’s Degree has to be almost zero. I honestly was not aware that you could even get an Associate’s Degree in psychology.

    And the thought of Joe Naugler helping anyone along the path to mental health in any capacity is frightening.


  10. I also will say….in my younger days (about 15 years ago) i took a few classes through UoP. I am currently in college and none of my UoP credits were transferrable.


  11. You mean like that time that Joe called one of my employers from a gas station in Kentucky, not far from your home? You want to hear all about that Nicole? All because I liked something on one of the troll blogs?

    Because that was fantastic. Head Office from the other companies I work for just disregarded your calls and complaints about me, because they did their background checks when I was hired, and guess what? I am who I say I am.


  12. I graduated from nursing school in 1969. It was a diploma school (3 year). Those were basically apprenticeship-type programs. The academics (college-level, taken at Furman University in Greenville SC) were plenty rigorous but very specific. We lacked any liberal arts at all. However, I got licensed as a registered nurse and worked for years.

    When we began homeschooling Nathan, I decided I wanted to go back to school, since I was teaching stuff. I figured why not get credit for all the studying I was doing. Homeschooling high school is not nearly as easy as homeschooling elementary school.

    This was in the 80’s, precomputer, so I sat down and wrote letters. I wrote to every accredited college in America that offered distance learning, all 70 of them. And I asked them what they could offer me with my nursing diploma.

    The best deal I got was from Western Illinois University. They enrolled me into their distance learning program at no cost, gave me two years of credit, making me a junior, and their only requirement was that I had to take X hours from their school before graduating. I had a guidance counselor assigned and everything. I did most of my classes via WIU but also did a good many at the University of Wisconsin-Madison (I liked their scheduling better).

    It took me until 2005 to graduate. LOL I kept starting and stopping. I would never have finished if Dave hadn’t pushed.

    But I say all this because I know about taking distance learning classes, and how it’s done right. I wrote about five bazillion papers. Long papers, short papers, essays, tests with a zillion essay questions. And I had exams for each class. To take an exam (either college, they were basically the same), I had to submit the name and address of an approved proctor to the school. Approved proctors were places like testing centers at colleges, head librarians, school principals, etc. The school had to then approve the proctor, and ship the exam to the proctor. The proctor would call me when the exam arrived and we’d set up a date for the exam. I would arrive. I had to give them everything I had, purse, empty my pockets, everything. They would then provide me with pencils and paper, including scratch paper and the exam and put me in a quiet place, and then they set a timer.

    When I finished the exam, I took it to the proctor’s desk, who would take it from me, fold it in my presence and put it in the return envelope, seal it with tape and then I left it there for the proctor to mail. I retrieved my belongings and left.

    Some classes had only one proctored exam, but many of them had two. Many of those exams involved 12 or 14 pages of writing before I was finished, and took between two and three hours.

    If you aren’t having to do that, you aren’t taking a real course. You’re taking a bullshit course where cheating is possible and probably happens often. I know there is some experimenting with computer exams involving video cams and that’s a neat idea which holds promise, but I know way too many accredited schools that allow online students to take online exams with no way to know if the student is doing the exam or if somebody else is. I know one person who took their exams while a partner was online beside them with a laptop computer looking up answers.

    My motivation to get a degree was not monetary. I simply wanted to finish what I’d started. And I wanted to actually do the work. I loved every class I took. They were great and introduced to me to much I’d never considered before. There is no question that doing that collegiate work contributed to my deconversion from religion. I will be forever grateful to WIU for helping me do that.

    Major? I didn’t really have one (it was up to me to meet the requirements for a major if I wanted one and I opted not to.) However, I met their core and then did their required electives. I probably came very close to having a degree in literature if you had to put a label on it. I did get a lovely diploma and had the right to go to Illinois and march at graduation had I wanted to.


  13. Kaylee,

    No argument about the value or perception of a UoP education. Suggest to anyone where I work that you have a degree from that institution and giggles will follow. I worked on an advanced degree there and did find the courses to be rather challenging and in a good way. But my biggest problem with UoP is that it seems to make its profits by admitting students without much in the way of standards to ensure that they have the academic equipment to graduate, not helping them, and stringing them along until they quit. That is my opinion, of course, and I do not believe that school has much of any investment in seeing students graduate. I consider my attendance there to be a mistake. The work was profitable for purely personal development but, after considerable investment, I found myself just strung along. Expensive personal development and thankfully now, no more school debt, either. That being said, I lived and learned and got another degree from a far more reputable institution. An institution that had real admission standards, a good reputation and good evaluations, and was very challenging.


  14. I am currently enrolled in a nursing program. I have been fortunate that I could take my electives from home. I have to go to school to do my nursing classes and clinicals next fall.

    If any university gave Joe Naugler a diploma they should be ashamed of themselves. I have a lot of typos when I post. I am using my cell phone because I use my computer exclusively for schoolwork. Joe Naugler is not making typos. He has errors in syntax and and grammar. And logical frankly, but that is a whole other topic. I would expect more out of a high school sophomore.

    It burns my buscuts that the parents joke about their obvius lack of writing skills. If they did have a kid who did show an interest in writing they would be completely unable to help them, aside from checking a handbook out from the library and telling them to figure it out on their own.


  15. I’ve taken online classes through our local community college. It works best for my schedule. But all exams have to be taken at the school in the testing center. Sure I could have someone else do all my online work but I’d still have to be the one taking the exams. At least I know all my credits are transferable since it’s a real college. I had a friend that didn’t listen to me when she decided to go back to school. She went to one of those for profit schools. After two years she realized it was a scam. And got accepted into a local community college, none of the classwork she had done the prior two years was transferable. Unfortunately she is still out that money. Lesson learned.


  16. Joe an AA even from UOP? If you believe that I have a lovely homestead to sell you in Garfield.

    Just for fun. Here are the classes it says Joe took:

    Libertarian Psychology
    Bio psychology/Psychiatry

    I’d look up the syllabi, but why bother.


  17. Nauglers aside for a minute – I have to weigh in on the UOP topic.

    I finished my BS in Business Management with UOP. I went on to a very successful 6 figure career in human resources. The reason I went with UOP was for online flexibility, as I was traveling extensively for work, and I could log in where ever I ended up that day.

    Some of my UOP classmates were clearly not cut out for college level courses, and a “group project” in every class meant the hangers-on could pass a class while the rest of us worked our butts off. After two classes with slackers in my group projects, the rules changed. Contribute or you are out on your own.

    That being said, some of the classes were daunting and required a great deal of work and papers. It was not a cakewalk.

    I had to make up some lower division credits and chose to complete those thru a California community college, which was also online (except for testing). I can tell you the CC experience was a joke compared to what I went thru at UOP. I was fed up with the slow place and elementary level of what was being taught, and when at my final exasperation point, I (probably illegally) quoted most of “Duck Soup” as test answers. The professor gave me an A and must not have really read my answers, as no snarky comments came back. Hello?!

    I was attending UOP when they went thru a credentialing process and that was also burdensome on the students, as we had to log hours spent on everything.

    Not exactly proud of UOP’s current reputation, but there are some very successful graduates.

    I am sure there is a huge population of ex-students (not graduates) whom owe massive student loans for an education for which they were ill-prepared.

    That being said, the Naugler children do not even stand a chance of a college education if changes are not made soon for them. A GED at least when at majority? One can get into a community college or a state university with a GED. Doubtful that will ever happen for those kids.

    Bottom line, my UOP degree helped me into a rotten tax bracket. I am (kinda) not complaining. (Talk to me in April!)

    Just two cents from Just Another Troll. 🙂


  18. A couple of years ago, I looked into UofP, specifically in a “Transition to Teaching” program. In discussion with some acquaintances in the teaching profession, they specifically said to stay away from UofP’s program. Primarily because it was not a recognized nor accredited program. And in a profession which requires a state certification/license, UofP would be a waste of money.

    I know a couple people that went into UofP’s MBA program. These are people that are later in career and figured an MBA would be beneficial, in advancing their career and job opportunities. It may, but probably not too much. In some of the highly competitive areas of the job market in the corporate business world, an MBA from a less than prestigious program isn’t really a resume builder. It is rather useless.

    I am not generalizing about UofP, I only know of these two specific scenarios. One where a lack of accreditation in a program where a certification/license is required for the profession. In other words, the coursework does not adequately prepare the student for the state license exam, as example. And the other where the program is not prestigious and useful in highly competitive professions.

    I would imagine an online associates degree in psychology has little value, not much more than the paper it was printed on.

    Distance learning is certainly fashionable these days. So much so, that many universities offer at least some of the course work in online classes. Several universities, right in that regional area of Kentucky. Accredited universities. And the class fees are quite a bit less than UofP.

    Meanwhile, Nicole’s comment, “if you are a supporter that was attacked….”. What?


  19. That friend I mentioned liked that she could take tests at home with her fiance’s help. She thinks you can always look stuff up in the real world, so why not when testing? That’s part of why UoP is a BS degree. As in Bull Shit. Yes, getting a psychology job is hard, but she couldn’t even get call-backs when she applied for receptioning positions. I didn’t say anything to her, but it’s like she was blacklisted out of buildings with psychology departments.

    If you’re cut out for real classes in a degree, then get that degree starting at a community college and transfer to a state school, and save yourself money.

    I took some distances classes before, from a community college, and my tests were online. Difference? I wasn’t taking it for credit. The fees were the same, the work was the same, the deadlines were the same. You just didn’t get credit if you didn’t test on campus. I might do that again for personal enrichment.


  20. JoJo has an associates degree? Not likely. He is barely literate. I don’t doubt he went to a school with very low admissions standards and received a lot of money in loans and possibly grants because he hasn’t figured out birth control. However, obtaining a degree? Nope. Just nope.


  21. I’ve never heard of psychometrics, so I took the time to look it up. Under the circumstances, this makes his choice of classes even more…interesting…or funny? I’m not sure what to think!


    noun plural but singular in construction | psy·cho·met·rics |\-ˈme-triks\

    Definition of psychometrics


    : the psychological theory or technique of mental measurement

    From here:


  22. I took some distances classes before, from a community college, and my tests were online. Difference? I wasn’t taking it for credit.

    Dunno how they are faring now, but MOOCs are marvelous. (Massive Open Online Courses) If you don’t care about credit, they are free. I am more or less addicted to them when I can find the time to indulge. All the fun of collegiate work, with the quality of collegiate work, and none of the cost.


  23. My husband was suckered into one of those for profit online schools a few years ago. Thankfully I convinced him to drop out quickly and he only lost $500. He felt “stupid” because most of my family at least had an AA and I was thinking of going for my masters at the time. He has a GED and a class G security license, but he still felt “less than.”

    As for homeschooling, I recognize there are areas where I am weak. When I taught for a non-profit, I mostly taught GED prep math. I would occasionally take on other subjects when needed, but math has always been my main course. I know my kids will do very well in math under my tutelage.

    My writting skills have slipped since I graduated and being medicated can make it even worse. Luckily, my sister is Queen Grammar Nazi with a BA in English (yes, she does love Avenue Q) so she helps oversee all their papers in all subjects. My husband is a science nerd, so he actually does most of the science lessons. I teach social studies, but both my husband and sister help. My neighbor was a teacher in Honduras for over 30 years before immigrating here, so she handles the boys’ “formal” Spanish lessons. For the “electives,” I handle carpentry and music, my husband handles sewing and painting, and my neighbor’s husband handles gardening.

    I knew I couldn’t teach everything thoroughly on my own, so I called in reinforcements. I’m the general contractor; I subcontract out, but at the end of the day, I’m accountable for the quality of the finished product.


  24. I love how they claim that even if Nicole goes offline, the “trolls” keep going and even amp things up. She’s *maybe* gone offline for like max two days. LOL


  25. I would think with the sheer numbers the UofP students enrolled there would be a few people that came out with marketable degrees and skills that made a go of it, but we looked into UofP about 10 years ago. Our youngest was graduating HS and they had a college day where each of the local colleges came and set up a booth and gave the kids a run down of what they had to offer and gave them some literature. My son had pretty much made up his mind that he was going to go to CSU, but the recruiter gave him a sales pitch telling him of all the scolarships and grants he could get going there. I was looking over all the pamphlets he brought home and came across the UofP brochure. After checking into it more we realized that 1.) the classes he needed to transfer to a 4 year were not accredited and would not transfer over 2.) even with scholarships and grants it still would costs more than in-state tuition! Without grants, or scholarships it would have cost THREE times as much to just get his prerequisites to a 4 year degree at a state junior college so Joe probably fell for that line and has had collectors chasing him down. He probably had a judgement against him that would garnish his paychecks. God forbid he pay his bills! He’d rather stick it to his family and live in a shack.
    I don’t think a junior college would even offer a degree in psychology. To my knowledge they offer more broader studies like applied science, general studies, associate of arts, associates of science and technology certificates or career certicates. A two year degree in psychology from a for profit school just sounds bogus to me. I’m sure things have changed in the last 10 years so maybe you can get a marketable two year degree from a junior college.


  26. How could Joe even get through a 101 college English class when he didn’t even know what a semicolon was? And he is going to be teaching his kids?


  27. Joe with a psychology degree? His wife grooms dogs for a living and he has a degree in psychology? His kids do all the homesteading work and hauls his shit while he sits on the phone talking about his psychology degree? And he really wants everybody to believe that while he does NOTHING to help support the family? Let me think about this a moment…………………………………………………………………..HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH GET OUT OF TOWN! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA YOUR KILLING ME HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!


  28. I love how they claim that even if Nicole goes offline, the “trolls” keep going and even amp things up. She’s *maybe* gone offline for like max two days. LOL

    And I keep saying it – if she was offline I wouldn’t have anything to write about. All that crap about how she’s being “stalked” in real life is simply crap. The details I have of her life are those she has chosen to put out there in public.


  29. Well, if the Great and Secret Show folks share their information, it seems you might have a great deal more to write about, Sally.


  30. Nicole posted once in her old blogspot blog that Joe didn’t like to have his picture taken “while he was working”. I think the pic she did post was of him installing the stovepipe in their first shed. I’ve always wondered why there are so few pics of Joe posted by Nicole. Joe doesn’t post pics of himself and you don;t ever see him in videos.

    With what the GASS recently posted to their FB page it’s no wonder Joe doesn’t want his picture posted on the internet. Sounds like there are a few people (organizations, bill collectors, etc.) that are still looking for him, even all these years later.

    My questions is, if all these people were still looking for Joe, how could they have missed knowing where the Nauglers are with all the international media circulating about them? I mean seriously, their story has made it far beyond the confines of US soil.


  31. Yeah which blog? I noticed she added more to her “who are these people”.


  32. Sally, Stanford’s online classes and Coursera are fantastic, from what I’ve heard. When I took the classes I did, online open classes weren’t a thing yet, which left paying and auditing courses. I’m so glad that there’s a trend toward free education, and I hope it continues.


  33. I’ve taken several Coursera classes. They were all very, very good. I even took one MOOC about raising chickens, from the University of Edinburgh, Scotland. It was great. I learned a great deal about chickens.


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