Great Expectations

It’s here, at least for now.

NICOLE: Okay, I’m going.

All right, we are here. We’re leaving the Breckinridge County Corruptin’ Courthouse, um, home of the corrupt, you can see Todd Pate’s office over there. He’s corrupt. He’s running for sheriff again because he thinks he can win, he’s just a womanizer and abuser. But the courthouse, I want to address Susan S. Streibel, guardian ad litem, who has violated ethics committee of her job.

[Gets in car]

Now I’m going to get into that in just a second.

Well, they had court, obviously. Just as obviously, it didn’t exactly go the way Nicole anticipated.

But anyways, our case is open, still was supposed to get closed today and it wasn’t because of Susan S. Streibel who has decided she can impact our lives by us, we have not broken any laws, we have not violated anything, we are in 100% of the CPS SOP, and um, of everything we need to do.

Well, blow me down. I didn’t see that coming. I mean, they got a page full of court orders and proceeded to call them “asinine.” Who would have seen this coming?

CPS has again requested our case be closed and Susan Streibel wants pull up stuff like our kids not going to the dentist even though CPS says that our children have very healthy teeth. They want us to get evaluations from Weiskopf. If you are a local, you know how hard it is to get into Weiskopf. It’s hard to get children who need services into Weiskopf, let alone children who don’t need services.

Um, we have a letter from a doctor that says that our son does not need services from Weiskopf, yet Susan S. Streibel insists that they do, and that we are disrespecting the courts. And of course, Judge Embry, Shan Embry, she’s, um, going to be out of office here come January, she has backed up Susan Striebel, when Susan Streibel made it look like we were disrespecting the courts by not following orders. However, we did follow orders, we just didn’t follow them to their recommendations because I can’t pay to get my children into Weiskopf. Nobody can. Okay?

So, then they rule off of the educational assessments. We have complied with Kentucky state law for education. We are in 100% compliance. We are not breaking any laws. So therefore, Susan S. Streibel is, um, saying that we’re not honoring the judge’s orders when in fact there’s no legal obligation for us to do these things that they’re asking us to do which we’ve given them a comprehensive education plan, we’ve registered as homeschoolers, we’ve done those things.

Here’s the thing. It’s something Nicole simply does not understand. Nicole and Joe pleaded dependency. They are under the court’s jurisdiction about all this. It doesn’t matter one bit what the Kentucky law says. If the judge says that she wants Joe to teach those kids Chinese every morning for a half hour while they all wear purple pajama pants, he needs to get some “Hooked on Chinese” tapes and some purple pants and hop to it. That’s what court orders are. Orders. Not suggestions.

So what they’re trying to do is they’re trying to change law by asking us to do things that aren’t required by law.

JOE: That’s it.

NICOLE: And that’s it.

JOE: That’s it.

NICOLE: That’s it in a nutshell. They are requiring us to do.

No, that’s not it. Neither one of you understand what a court order is. I think you’re going to before you’re finished, though.

It has been, let’s see, November of 2015, we signed a plea deal, under duress, that we would plea deal that the sheriff had just cause to arrest me, um, and that, um, what was it, oh, and that we lived in a dilapidated home and that my husband was a pot smoker.

So, we pleaded to those things under the conditions that would close our case, that was November of 2015. Our case is still open.

They then came back, Susan Streibel recommended and demanded and the judge just said, “Oh, sure, honey, whatever you say” and, um, required forensic evaluation on my husband and I.

JOE: Because we have a large family, and, and we’re religious.

NICOLE: Oh, yes, because we have a large family and we’re religious, we must be crazy, right, so.

Anyways, we had the $7000 apiece psychological evaluations, Breckinridge County taxpayers paid for that with all the Title IV funding that they’re funneling into to keep that fancy courthouse you just saw, and um, so they got the psychological evaluations which are considered, still considered sealed court records. Why would my psychological evaluation be sealed? Well, because it says I’m not crazy, that my husband’s not crazy, that we mentally stable and that the only thing the, um, Dr. McCreary, Dr. McCreary out of Louisville, un, the only thing that she said in her thing was that because I have a public blog, the one you guys are all watching on my Facebook page right now, and I have my blog, that we agitate people, and that that was a concern of hers. Seriously.

Well, you do have multiple Facebook pages, and a blog and you do use all of them to agitate people. Even when you go into hiding, into what you think are private groups (with 50,000 members), you agitate and get your ass tossed out. You can’t help it, I guess.

JOE: Oh, and that we don’t take our kids

NICOLE: And that we don’t take our kids

JOE: Although they have nice teeth, everybody gets to see pictures of our kids smiling, ah, you guys see how nice their teeth are. It wasn’t that the kids had, like, you know, when they had their dental evaluations done while they were in custody. It isn’t like they found, like, rotten teeth or bad teeth or anything. It was just that we didn’t take them for routine checkups.

NICOLE: Yeah, we aren’t doing routine checkups.

So, um, turn that on so I can see it, I want to see my Facebook page.

Um, so that’s what we’ve gone on. The issues that I’m addressing right now is I’m requesting an open investigation into Breckinridge County Family Court. If you are in the sound of my voice, if you’ve ever been in front of a court and have had Susan Streibel completely wreck your family’s life, let me know.

Here’s the, I’m going to read here in a second because I’m just waiting for it to pull up but I’ll get into that. Um, the guardian ad litem has rules that she’s supposed to be following. One of them is that she is supposed to interview the children she is representing. She’s never interviewed my children.

JOE: Not once.

NICOLE: She met them once, for twenty minutes.

JOE: That’s right, we were there, all at the table and she just shows up

NICOLE: And she wasn’t even there to sit and talk to anybody. She was just there like, “Hey, I see your place, I’ve gotta go and bye.” That was it.

Um, she’s never interviewed my children.

The Cabinet has interviewed my children profusely. The Cabinet recommends our case be closed. Has since May, when they finished their interviews back last two years, three years ago in May, they’ve been recommending the case be closed. They have had no concerns, um, the Cabinet worker submitted a report today which I’ll link up to you guys later saying that she has no concerns. There’s been no concerns for over two years, or no reports, there’s not even been anybody calling in with concerns, about two years, and even then, the ones that called in were trolls, just calling in with random stuff they found on the internet and it was just kind of strange.

But, um, there’s not been any concerns at all, and there’s nothing, she’s been to our home, she says there’s no concerns about the home, the children are flourishing, she used those words, the children are flourishing, the Cabinet worker says the children are flourishing, but yet Susan Streibel got all hung up because we didn’t take our children for dental visits. I’m not going to spend money on a dental visit when my children don’t need it.

When they have cavities, they’ve been filled. My children go to the eye doctor when they need to, we are not neglecting them in any way. They have healthy teeth, we have the dental records to prove that, when they did go to the dentist a couple of years ago.

You know, I’ve gone to the dentist for checkups all my life. And not once, not one single time, when I had a cavity, did I know I had a cavity. My dentist didn’t even know until he did an examination and looked carefully. He’d take a pokey thing and poke it on the tooth and say, “You have a little place right there. Brush it really well and maybe we can keep from having to fill it.” Or he’d poke and say, “Oh, gee. That’s too far. We need to fill that.”

Furthermore, I’ve had several teeth that cracked in my old age and I didn’t know they were cracked either.

Only twice in my whole life have I ever known I needed to get to a dentist. Once a tooth cracked when I bit down on some food and sort of fell apart. That was a root canal and crown.

A second time, I developed a good old-fashioned toothache, and the dentist informed me that my tooth had cracked all the way through the root. That was the expensive one. I had the tooth extracted and an implant done. That implant will be fine forever even though I will not.

Twice in 68 years, I knew I needed to see a dentist. Every other time, preventative care kept my costs down. A small filling stopped a big crack and a lost tooth.

I am going to be 69 years old in two days. Other than that one implant and my wisdom teeth that were extracted when I was young, I have all my teeth. Every one of them. Do you think maybe it’s because I got dental checkups?

But then, really, do you think for one second that anyone looks at Joe and Nicole (especially Nicole) and thinks, “Now there are some parents who understand dental health”?

But, uh, aside from that, (unclear) on my Facebook page, I’m going to read you this because, like I said, right now I’m really concerned about this runaway liberal, man-hating, family-hating, Christian-hating, homeschool-hating guardian ad litem who’s just using her position as the guardian ad litem of Breckinridge Courts to, to, um, is it right there, to harass families and we are not the only ones. I’ve talken to so many families who’ve had her influence, um, so I’m letting this load here and I’ll try to see if I’ll post it in the comments later when I can, maybe I can now. Maybe I can if I do this. It’s not letting me post a picture comment, only a word comment.

Dear god in heaven, she just called the GAL some names. I burst out laughing. How to win friends and influence people, by Nicole Naugler.

So, I apologize, I’m trying to work with technology while we’re traveling home. Um, this is just amazing to me. I mean, I really thought they were gonna close the case.

I think she really means that. This is just amazing to me.

JOE: We’ve done everything.

NICOLE: We’ve done everything. We’ve complied. Nothing we’ve done violates

JOE: And nothing the fucking judge has gone off of has even validated even opening the case.

NICOLE: Right. If you call some up and say, “Oh, they’re not taking their kids to the dentist” but their kids teeth are healthy, that’s not a reason to open a case. Nothing they’ve said is a reason to open a case.

Um, they submitted my husband to random drug testing which he took three random drug tests and passed all three of them, so he’s in compliance with all of that, we’ve been in compliance of all of that.

It says here: “A guardian ad litem shall determine the facts of the case by interviewing the child (unclear), Cabinet, CPS, and Children’s and Family Services worker, family members, therapists and others as necessary.” Susan Streibel hasn’t interviewed my children. She hasn’t

JOE: None

NICOLE: She hasn’t interviewed anybody that interacts with my children

JOE: None

NICOLE: She hasn’t interviewed anybody in the family, and I don’t even think she’s interviewed anybody in the Cabinet other than going off of the Cabinet’s recommendations to close the case.

“A guardian ad litem shall meet with and observe the child. . .” She’s never met my children, again, except for the twenty minute meeting. “. . .assess the child’s needs and wishes in regard to the representation of the issues of the case and explain the proceedings to the child according to the child’s ability to understand.”

She is obligated to explain to my children what is going on in the case. How can you do that when you don’t meet the children?

Um, “make recommendations,” it talks about making recommendations and filing unnecessary, which she’s filed everything but not based upon my children’s wishes.

And it says here, that the last thing it says here, and like I said, I’ll link this up later, “A GAL should advocate the child’s best interests but advise the court when the child disagrees with the attorney’s assessment of the case.”

Now, our case was open with ten children. Nine of them are still under case, Jacob is old, older and grad – aged out of the program. MINOR CHILD’S NAME was born after the case and was not submitted to the new case, so they’re only doing those nine children. Um, I can tell you all nine of those children disagree with Susan Streibel. Susan Streibel did not say that to the judge. She didn’t emphasize that to the judge. She did not do her due diligence in her job, inform the judge of any of my children’s wishes. She’s only expressed her personal opinions of my family’s lifestyle to the judge and her disagreement of it.

That is unethical and it’s criminal. And she will be held accountable.

I am filing my paperwork tomorrow morning.

Bless your heart, Nicole. I hope you have a nice time having your ass handed to you.

JOE: I’m filing a, a, a judicial complaint, and we’re also looking at lawsuits against Judge, what, what, what,

NICOLE: Judge Shan Embry.

JOE: Judge Jan Embry. She told me to shut up. I couldn’t even talk. I couldn’t even sit there and defend myself when we had clear evidence that we have been compliant. I took three, three drug screens, every time the Cabinet has asked me I’ve gone down. Everything we’ve done.

Joe is gonna file a lawsuit against a sitting judge just as soon as he figures out what her name is.

We’ve gone down to the doctors. That all had to be brought up by us. It all had, uh, and then she sat there and acted like we haven’t been cooperative.

NICOLE: She was offended that we weren’t cooperating and that she was going to hold us in contempt if we didn’t do as she said.

JOE: You guys, find her number and call and complain. Ask her what she’s doing in family court. Ask her why, why she’s being so unethical and corrupt. Ask her about her other ethical complaints that she’s had, because it’s not the first one. This is not the first one.

Oh, yes, by all means. Get a lot of people from Facebook who don’t know shit about anything to call the judge’s office to complain. That will help immensely considering the psych evaluation already said that you agitate people.

She told somebody that she was going to put them in jail if they didn’t go, what, roller-skating? Is that what it was?

NICOLE: Yeah, it was, it was vacation with her dad or something. But she was held on an ethics complaint last year. You can, I’ll post the links to that.

Um, the ethics violations. . .

JOE: The Cabinet, the Cabinet has testified, not just testified that, that this whole time they have not found, they have found no, zero, neglect or abuse. Period. The only thing they state is that we did not register as homeschoolers, at the beginning, and we’ve, we’re doing that. And, uh, and that our children, not only that, but they use these words, that our children are excelling in our environment.

NICOLE: Flourishing.

JOE: Huh?

NICOLE: Flourishing was the word she used.

JOE: Yeah, flourishing is what she said.

NICOLE: Flourishing was the word she used in court today.

Uh, we’ve requested copies of our records. The judge said that she will think about it. Um, I don’t know what will happen from here on out. If the judge holds us in contempt, and you know, who knows what happens

JOE: Isn’t that funny? Can’t, can’t, can’t charge us with any fucking law, any crimes

NICOLE: Right.

JOE: and they have to come in here and totally use the fucking judicial court system in Kentucky

NICOLE: [unclear]

JOE: Sorry about my language, but I am so angry right now. I am so angry. Because the Cabinet is telling them, just like the sheriff. You ask Sheriff Todd Pate. You ask that fucking asshole as he sits there and goes around the community trying to agitate aggression towards us because his deputies, who he’s fired, have confided in us what that man has been doing.

NICOLE: Not confided. They just said in conversation.

JOE: Yeah, just in conversation.

And not only that, you ask him what his testimony was in our court. I’ll tell you. They’re not breaking any laws. There’s no reason why their children shouldn’t

NICOLE: In May of 2015, Todd Pate said we’re not breaking any laws, there’s no reason the children should not be returned. The Cabinet has said profusely, they follow all, the family follows all of the, our recommendations, they have, we have no services.

Big flash news: Todd Pate is the sheriff. He has zero say in whether or not the judge closes a CPS case. Zero. Zip.

Unlike you, he did his job. He was given a court order (be learning what that is before you go back to court, just saying) and he did what it said.

JOE: We have, in the court file that they put, Susan Streibel, and then the judge is just like (making beeping noise), and we’re just like hold it these people are the ones that actually do the interviewing.

NICOLE: Right.

JOE: And you’re going to ignore their facts?

NICOLE: So, we’re gonna ask that you not only call the local offices and find out why they’re acting this way. I’m sure they’ll just tell you blah, blah, blah, but also we are going to start advocating higher ups. I am requesting tomorrow, I’m going to start the paperwork to request an independent investigation into Breckinridge County. The corruption is just too much. It’s too much.

It’s, it’s so corrupt that

JOE: We’ll file a judicial complaint.

NICOLE: We are.

This should be magnificent.

And like I said, if you’ve been a victim of these courts, please contact us because we’d love to have you come along with us.

JOE: We’ve already had several dozen people message us.

NICOLE: I know some people are afraid because they have open cases. Um, that’s one reason why

JOE: We will keep your name anonymous.

NICOLE: Well, in some cases, you can’t. Filing the paper needs to be done. We are still afraid of retaliation. We’ve, we’ve felt the wrath of some of that already, and um like I said, she threatened us to hold us in contempt for not following her orders today, even though we were following her orders

JOE: And when I went to tell her, to show her, that I have been following them, even when the Cabinet was saying it, she cut all of us off.

NICOLE: Yeah, she wouldn’t let any of us speak.

JOE: Wouldn’t let any of

NICOLE: So that’s our update for today. I was hoping for good news because again like I said, the Cabinet at their last visit, we spoke about our case, she took down notes, she said that there’s no reason why our case should be open, um, the reasons the judge, the things the judge gave us in the list to do of her concerns aren’t even enough to open up a new case, let along keep our case open.

JOE: And they definitely don’t prove neglect. She wrote a letter not saying that our children had bad teeth, or that we’d been neglectful of our children’s teeth, or that we needed to get our kids to the dentist immediately to fix stuff but that they just need routine checkups.

NICOLE: Routine checkups.

JOE: I’m sorry, if it’s not broken, don’t fix it.

NICOLE: We spent $500 on a, uh, cardiogram for my son last year

JOE: Because they said he had a heart murmur and they were all concerned

NICOLE: because they said he had a heart murmur and it turns out that my son’s heart is extremely healthy and so healthy that they wanted to use his radiographs for, uh, for teaching purposes.

And you’re bitching about this?

When Nathan was about ten, I took him for his dental checkup (yes, he went to the dentist regularly) and had a huge scare. The dentist came out and told me that I needed to get Dave to come to the office immediately.  It turned out that Nathan had a mass on his jaw, in the bone. The dentist was a dentist, not a surgeon and he wasn’t totally sure what it was. He was concerned that it was a tumor. We discussed the what ifs. Dave and I were rattled.

We took him to an oral surgeon who checked him out and did some more x-rays and they finally determined that he had started growing his wisdom tooth in that spot way early. Years early. They never knew why, but that’s what it was.

Obviously, if we’d never done anything, if he’d never had any checkups, we’d never have known that he did this weird thing and grew an early wisdom tooth (which was removed along with one other one several years later), but then again, if he’d had a unnoticed, untreated tumor, he would have died. Take your pick.

I can’t remember what it cost for all that because neither Dave nor I fucking cared.

JOE: That’s what he said. That my kids muscles were so lean, that his heart was so healthy, that he got such a clean shot, that he was gonna use it for teaching purposes.

NICOLE: We have what documentation we have, like I’ve said, the courts will not release, um, their side of it, I really wish they would, um, we’ve requested it, the judge says they’ll think about it, so I’m sure if anybody sees the judge, tell her “Hey, why won’t you release the Nauglers paperwork. What have you got to hide?”


JOE: Seriously

NICOLE: We’re the legal guardians. We’ve had legal guardianship since May of 2015, I mean um, November, right?

JOE: Yeah, physical

NICOLE: Physical custody was established in July of 2015 and legal guardianship was given, well, it wasn’t taken away.

JOE: Yes, thank you, the state gave us back our [unclear] I love it when the government gives me my stuff.

NICOLE: Right but everything was established back in November of 2015, um, but all of that’s been, um,

JOE: All hail the mighty government for giving us our stuff.

NICOLE: Right. Thank the government when they take your stuff and give it back to you, right. Aren’t they nice?

Stuff? Your children are stuff?

Um, but I do want to say if you are a mom or dad, you need to really buckle down on this because they came after for stuff, like I said, we’ve never broken any laws, we have not violated the SOP of the, uh, Cabinet, uh, aside from the fact that, uh, our children weren’t registered. And they said that my husband, what was it they used, used pot in a caretaking role or something like that, which wasn’t true, but that’s what they said. And we pled deal to it because they said if you plea deal we’ll close your case, and you know, you have to plea deal or we’ll hold you in contempt and contempt is whatever the hell we say. Like today, us trying to advocate and tell our side of the story, we were threatened with contempt.

We were threatened with contempt for not following the judge’s orders even though we did.

JOE: Yeah, I only, I only, the Cabinet has to tell me what to do, every time they’ve told me, doing it, we’ve gone down

NICOLE: No, we’ve not been not in compliance, they just don’t like the answers to their questions.

That is the very definition of ignoring a court order and being in contempt, Nicole.

JOE: Our kids are extremely healthy, extremely happy, flourishing in our environment

NICOLE: It bothers them that they’re wrong and they won’t admit it. Um,

JOE: It doesn’t enforce their false narrative of us.

NICOLE: Right.

So, I will, um, I will update on the blog with some documentation that I have including the paperwork I got today from the Cabinet’s recommendation and, um, I’ll put it on the blog so if you don’t have the links to the blog

JOE: (Unclear) we’re not just making it up, we’re, we’re not being cooperative [he’s sputtering here and it’s very unclear] The Cabinet’s, just wasting our time.

This is, I mean, they need to help real families and they’re off dilly-dallying with us

NICOLE: Yeah, there are families here in Breckinridge County that really need some help and they’re wasting their time and energy on us and I don’t know why.

But we’re about to hit a bad reception area so I’m gonna sign off, if you have any questions, I’ll go through the comments and try to answer what I can and I will post the documents and I have some recordings too, as soon as I get time to put those together.