Hey Mac, can you spare a dime?

Money is like manure; it’s not worth a thing unless it’s spread around encouraging young things to grow.

– Thorton Wilder

 

We all know someone that is always in need. Something is always wrong — always an excuse. Everyone is out to get them. Nothing is their fault.

For many, “begging” means the scruffy man at the corner liquor store, tin cup in hand, a cardboard sign. For others it’s a homeless mother with a baby. That kind of begging is easy to look at and decide whether you’re going to help or not.  You see it. You have a good gut feeling if the person will use, or abuse your donation. You can tell if the person is truly in need or just begging because they don’t want to earn an honest living. For some folks, it’s a way of life. 

They may hear the clink of a coin in the cup, and you may keep walking. You see it with your eyes. Your guts tell you if they really need help or will go grab a bottle of Thunderbird and wake up with wet pants.

The internet is a whole new street corner.  Now you have thousands and thousands of potential handouts “walking by”.  If you can convince folks that you’re a wholesome, hardworking, reverent individual that could just use a little bit of help . . . well, you’re off to a grand start.  People have soft hearts and most will try to help someone in need.  The Nauglers are well versed in subtle online begging, the art of asking for money without being “in your face” with their desperate needs. They have been doing it for years, yet continue to add to their family despite their inability to support the children they already have.

It’s a pattern. The constant hints and subtle suggestions. But hey, you read through the repetition and make up your own mind. Are they doing this? Ask the church groups they’ve been in.

Sound harsh? maybe it is. But responsible adults do not constantly drop hints and ask for others to pay for things. Some of us consider this to be the crux of “responsibility”.

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This was quite probably a rather misguided attempt at humor. But at this point, who knows.

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13219754_10153681942993182_547206151_nOK, but you certainly aren’t shy about supplementing with donations.

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Venmo, Paypal, Go Fund me . . . crowd source funding masters.

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They ended up with over $45,000 from this effort alone.  They had a very detailed list of what the expenses were to be used for.  They have repeatedly become very hostile when people ask if they were used as promised.

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Ah yes, the subtle hints.

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Winner winner, chicken dinner.

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Oh yeah, get over it.

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Fundraiser for a business? Wait . . .

Is it a business or a charity?

13094124_10207741242503271_525796367266982827_nHere’s an odd one. Somebody set up a Go Fund Me campaign. It’s quite probably satire. However, in exposing and explaining that they did NOT set it up, they certainly didn’t fail to ensure folks knew where they COULD “donate”.

a bThis is only a smattering of the constant posts and a bit of insight into what is going on.

Remember, they garnered over $45,000 in Go Fund Me donations. What have they done with them?

Brought to you by “Nefarious Please and others”

Update
This was sent by a blog reader. It seems pretty benign. It’s a nice story. Charity and kids. It might actually stir up warm feelings. But please notice the comment “Put money in my hand.”

How hard are these folks to figure out?

Well “technically”. . .

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UPDATE:

Let’s make a collection. Here’s two more.

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They’re “still accepting donations.” As though there will come a day, some day, when they are no longer accepting donations.

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And the vehicles. Have the Nauglers ever actually bought a car or van all by themselves?  Nicole tells us that she really doesn’t like to finance things. She much rather that “angels” just give stuff to her.

You know, like she refuses to do for her kids.

This is probably what you came here to find out about.

A quick note. This blog is not Joe and Nicole Naugler’s Blog. This blog was created to refute and dispel the claims they make, to elucidate their methodology, and to allow thinking people the opportunity to see the truth and make their own decisions.

A word of caution. If you comment, we recommend you do not link to your actual identity as many people that have spoken out against the Naugler adults have been doxxed, harassed, and bullied online.

Been watching the news lately? Here’s the truth.

The first article

The second

And here is the third article with the real truth.

The third

You read these and make up your own mind.

“The Nefarious Please”

Update

This comment was posted in response to the third article (above). It was posted on March 6th.
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Not A Public Service Announcement

The below photograph has been altered to protect the identity of the innocent. I replaced their faces with cartoons. Otherwise the post that Nicole Naugler ran in a local group of almost 17,000 has not been altered in any way shape or form.

 

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Well, I can tell you, beyond a doubt that Nicole Naugler is spinning and lying, and telling falsehoods in this post she added to a local group.  These are the innocent victims filmed by Joe Naugler on his court date for the pretrial hearing in his criminal charges the other day;  Fondly referred to as goat-gate.  These three people were standing outside the Breckinridge County Courthouse.  After the trial — Minding their own business — Chatting.

As they stood there, away from the insanity and drama,  Joe, walked up to them and, cell phone in hand, poised and positioned, smirking his idiotic smirk, to let them know beyond any doubt that he was watching them. Documenting them. He said “and these are the people that came to visit today”  (If they have the guts to release the actual video, it will confirm this)   It would appear the “in your face” filming was meant to intimidate the individuals. When it didn’t elicit the response Joe needed, Nicole took it a leap forward.

Nicole and Joe do indeed know at least two of these people. One of the people is the complaining witness/victim of Joe’s previous criminal conviction for menacing.

Let’s stop and think about that for a second. Joe has a protective order stating that he is not to contact, harass, or intimidate this witness to his previous criminal trial. (The one he was found guilty of). Yet he found it prudent to walk up on them and ensure they knew he was filming and documenting them.

One thing that Nicole very conveniently fails to mention is this.  As if Joe and Nicole have not harassed her enough in this past year, she had the great misfortune to have business at the courthouse that day, unaware that Joe was in court yet again for neighborly criminal misconduct.  She was there for a different reason. When she saw friends in the courtroom, she naturally sat next to them. To sit a spell and catch up with neighbors.

Nicole and Joe also know another of the people in the photograph, and Nicole admits that.  What she omits, is that this is the neighbor and father of the young girl that Joe stalked at her family farm last summer. Her dad is the same man that has repeatedly stated he believes Joe is simply a “failed man, husband and father” We’re talking about a guy that has 23 years of military service to our country and has not succumbed to these kind of intimidation tactics. Why was he there? Good question. He was there because of these allegations. And then some more ridiculous accusations.   He was there because he wanted to see how in the world Mr. Naugler could ever justify his alleged involvement regarding the goats and how Joe was going to claim that he was responsible for “colluding” with the neighbor.

Joseph Naugler. The “failed man, husband, and father.”

Not Joe, but rather the man pictured is the man that said it. Yes it infuriates Joe, but maybe the guy in the picture has a point?

He was there because he had been defamed on the internet and wanted to know how Joe was going to continue besmirching his name. He was there because he fought for our rights. He was exercising his own, as well as providing moral support to a fellow retired veteran and friend who was the criminal witness for that day’s criminal action (goat-gate) against Joe.

The third person was there as a court watcher.  She now gets to watch her back whenever she goes to town, because, well, because Nicole is a liar and a vengeful wench.  I think it was driving Nicole and Joe crazy that they couldn’t identify that one person, so they posted her photograph with a pack of lies.  Something to get someone to identify the woman.  What could Nicole say to do that, surely the truth would not have gotten her anywhere?

Lets not forget Cheryl Dewitt an administrator on the local Meade Sell n Trade.  Without her choice to allow Nicole to post this very unorthodox and uncalled for post this problem would not have arisen.  She is the enabler in this endeavor.  Even when contacted about the nature of Nicole and the nature of the photographic post she chose to allow it to stand.  She removed comments identifying Nicole’s vengeful act, then advised people to personally message Nicole with the identifying information.  It was a very poor choice and not very community minded.  Shame on her. I can only hope Cheryl understands the liability she has opened both herself and this community page to.  Not worth it.  If I were her I would apologize and make it right publicly on the page and within the community.  It might just save her.

These pictured people have not been stalking Nicole or her family, certainly not her eleven children, quite the contrary. These people have not harassed the Naugler family at all. They have not threatened, they have not endangered the Naugler family, business or any such nonsense.

They have voiced their opinion. They get to do that. Guys like the complainant and the man pictured fought for us so that we can have freedom of speech and the ability to exercise our legal rights.

What they are are simply good and active participants of their community. They are victims and critics, they see through Nicole’s bullshit, and if you ask me the only thing Nicole actually feels has been threatened is her bottom line.

The above post epitomizes everything that Joe and Nicole are.  Joe can’t post this stuff, he’d probably end up in jail, and, let’s face it, Joe is scared of jail.  He sacrificed his children over his “rights” fast as could be when threatened with jail by the county.  So the man of the family had to step up.  Thus in trots Nicole to do the dirty work.  Just as immediately after Joe’s latest (failed) plea deal in criminal court (goat-gate) Nicole was online posting falsehoods and photographs of that complainant neighbor’s property and family, she couldn’t let another opportunity pass by where she didn’t attack more of her perceived enemies, aka, Joe’s victims.

The above post that Nicole made was to a local group with 16,000 plus followers in our small community.  I know — different county, but in Kentucky we have an abundance of counties and this page is from a very closely and interwined county. It is an inflammatory post, one could call it a “call to arms”, based on very  frightening and completely false allegations.  This goes far beyond simple defamation, slander or libel. Quite frankly this post and any others that may exist are potentially dangerous to the victims, as well as damaging to our community.

Are you starting to understand what Joe and Nicole are yet? What vipers they are in our midst.  Even with protective orders in place, probation and time on the shelf they will exact their revenge.  Joe can’t and apparently won’t jeopardize himself, but Nicole can do it.  No stone goes unturned, no act of revenge is too big or too small, because being a good neighbor is hard.

Courtesy of the “Nefarious Please”

Mothering? Is That What She Calls It?

 

Even when Nicole posts articles about parenting that she thinks will bolster her carefully crafted image of “Mother of the Year”, she is so disconnected from reality that she does not see that the articles invariably show her up as a failure.

Fun fact:  they did win the Ranker contest for “Absolute Worst Parents of the Year 2015”.

imageTake the above article Nicole posted from Renegade Mothering.  If you just skim Nicole’s post you can almost hear Nicole patting herself on the back and telling herself, and you, that she is perfectly justified in her abject failure as a mother.  Then you open the article and read it, something Nicole has admitted she rarely, if ever, does.

She should have read it.  The blog authoress lays out just what her responsibilities as a mother are.

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Let us compare these responsibilities to Nicole’s reality.

PROVIDE FOR:

If by provide for you mean beg, borrow and steal, then Joe and Nicole have got this one.

Begging seems to be a way of life with these two.  Everyone is probably familiar with the viral big payday.  I believe this one brought in close to $45,000.

Fun fact: doesn’t appear that they adhered to the below list of expenditures for that money, but hey, they will tell you, it’s none of your business how they spent your hard earned cash.  Sadly, they are right.  They can pretty much tell you whatever story they think will milk the most money from you, and then do what they want.  It’s become an ever increasing problem with unregulated personal charitable donations.

imageYou didn’t think there was just one GoFundMe did you?  There are, have been, and will probably continue to be all kinds of ways for them to get that last dollar from your pocket.  They have been at this for so long, there are so many examples to choose from, I could only include a small percentage.

imageLookee here.  They can even get other people to raise funds for them.  Their dear online friend, fellow Voluntaryist, spokesperson and all around swell guy, Pace Ellsworth, has been very active in both their cause, their fundraising and even her business.  Even on his business page he is asking for donations for them to “pay off their land”.

image“Send us more money.”  What?  You feel uncomfortable sending strangers money?  Not a problem, they take goods too.  They are not going to sit idly by and let that whole vast untapped market of potential donors pass them by.  No siree.image They have even mastered the art of subtle begging.  Child’s birthday?  Or maybe the child is just feeling blue?  This cute book would make him so happy.  Just click the little picture and it will bring you straight to a wish list of hundreds of things Nicole and the kids want.  They did a similar subtle beg for seeds when posting photographs of the children working hard on the garden meant to sustain the poor dears, but how many photographs can I post in one blog post.
image Why bless her heart, as if anyone could stop this juggernaut of online begging.  It appears to be the only full time continuous profession they work. It also appears as if some force has hindered their recent money flow from strangers on the Internet.
image Cash, Bitcoin, goods, repurposed whatever, they will gladly accept it all.    Fun fact: this is before the children were removed.  This is self sustained living off the grid at its finest according to Nicole and Joe.

image  Hey, even a dollar.  You’re a stranger?  No problem, just say you are a friend or family so they can squeeze every penny out of this.

imageAs regards “borrow” or steal please see the previous post about water.  Like a bad neighbor, the Nauglers are there, helping themselves to your water and who knows what else.

Fun Fact:  Pace Ellsworth also set up a donation page after the birth of the last baby for baby stuff and additional insulation for the shop.

NURTURE:

Nurture is a more subjective concept, hard to quantify with photographs.  So just let me leave this photograph here.  Almost all the children are sick with food poisoning, well that is what Nicole wrote.  Luckily one or two of the children didn’t eat the rancid pancakes and are not sick so they can nurse the sick ones laying outside on the ground, and bring them water.  The goats help too, I suppose they are eating up the vomit?  Nicole is too busy taking photographs and writing about how this will teach the kids to ask her before they eat something.

Fun fact: Nicole actually claims to have cooked that day.  Pancakes, that Nicole says made the children ill.

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CLOTHE:

There is nothing as luxurious as putting on nice clean clothes straight from the dryer.  This is not like that.  Not even close.
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image Bonus, you even get to write your name on your very own dirty laundry basket that holds your supposedly clean clothes.

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FEED:

Joe and Nicole haven’t been very successful in the grow your own food department.  They rely on the children to plan, build, plant and care for the garden with little to no guidance, because “unschooling”.  Let’s face it, starvation is a mighty motivator.  For a more in depth look at the issue, click here.

Animal husbandry, another failed endeavor.  There have been photographs and posts about rabbits and chickens.  A few photographs here and there of newly hatched chicks.  Followed by posts about how the rabbits and chickens have been eaten by their dogs, again.  So many plans, so little execution of those plans, nor for that matter, success.  The goats?  There is a separate blog post for them too.

Fun fact:  Joe and Nicole sneak off for fast food.

First let’s take a peek at Joe and Nicole’s custom kitchen.  Talk about well thought out and executed facilities.  Isn’t it Pinterest worthy?  It gets better.  Remember Nicole doesn’t like to cook, so rarely, if ever — does.  Joe seems to whip up a can of chili every once in a blue moon.  The children do the majority of the cooking in this rugged outdoor kitchen.  Even the littles have been photographed sweating and cooking over this lovely open fire pit of potential explosion.

image Here is an example of one of the meals cooked for the family by the children.  They’re just children so cut them some slack.  It’s not like their mother is teaching them or anything, you know, that unschooling thing again.

imagePlus there is only so much you can magically wizard into edible food when all you have is botulism in an unidentified can.

imageIt could be worse.  After all they do have a wide assortment of mystery cans to choose from. Thank goodness for the free food pantry and the kindness of strangers.
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HOUSE:

I have no words, but I don’t need any.  As they say, every picture tells a story.

Fun fact:  only Joe and Nicole had a mattress, the children got plywood.  They also got mud for Christmas.
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EDUCATE:

Joe and Nicole throw around words and concepts such as homeschooling and unschooling.  Taking the children to the shop to wash dogs, unschooling lesson.  Having a child do the books for the business, unschooling.  Ordering things from a business catalog, yup, more unschooling.  Building a doorless hut for the shit buckets, you’ve got it, unschooling.

If you glance at this post, it almost looks impressive.
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Then you look at it a little closer.  Nicole can’t tell you how the children learned to read or to do math?  No, I suppose parenting isn’t hard at all, if you’re not actually doing it.  The really frightening thing about this post though, doesn’t have to do with education, it has to do with problem resolution.  Nicole handles it the same way she does with a friend or neighbor.  I’m just leaving that be for right now.  Future blog posts will enlighten everyone as to why I find this so chilling.

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Well, there you go.  She doesn’t teach them to read because she finds it can’t be taught.

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Well, she did notice this child could read.  Of course she did.  The child was reading her Facebook comments, something extremely necessary to Nicole’s very survival and validation.  How excited Nicole must have been, another fan.

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Don’t be too alarmed.  See, her children can write.  She had them write the state on why they don’t need no stinking education.  Well, okay, not exactly compose it, they copied it from the HSLDA.  Extra bonus points, Nicole did throw in a little unschooling lesson about screwing the man.

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Fun Fact: Joe and Nicole aren’t too well versed in spelling, grammar or punctuation.  Same goes for math, history, politics, etc… Joe also claims to have earned an AA from the University of Phoenix and to have done in depth studies in psychology that have been rejected by the mainstream, because, oh screw it even I can’t type this with a straight face, he’s a controversial genius.

JOE, aka FATHER:

I haven’t written much about Joe and his parenting skills.  That would be because Joe just doesn’t appear to do much.  Fatherhood, I suspect everyone will agree, is more than being a sperm donor then retiring to sit on your ass getting high and watching your children do all the work.  I have heard from several reliable first hand witnesses that he does scream orders at the children peppered with an occasional, some have said frequent, observation that they are “stupid fuckers”.  As to Joe’s eldest son, Joe’s rights were terminated, which is no easy feat.  That young man has publicly stated that Joe abused him physically, emotionally and sexually.  That young man is grown now, and Joe still hasn’t paid off his back due child support for the short time he was obligated to support the child.  Meh, I don’t see Joe getting father of the year anytime soon, unless the award is for quantity and not quality of parenting.

The Renegade Mothering blog writer ends her post with this advice.  You shouldn’t care, unless of course, you rely on the kindness of strangers to financially support all your poor decisions, abject failures and nearly a dozen children.

imageBrought to you by the “Nefarious Please”.

Are You Really There?

Are you really there?
Are you just a dream?
I thought you were in there somewhere, hiding from me,
Hiding from the world.

Nathan Davis, Untitled #2

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‘Cause talking shit in person is too dangerous.

What follows here are excerpts from a conversation Joe Naugler had with Al Wilson. It’s a very long convo which took place over several weeks. I’ve tried to include the pertinent parts but not the whole thing because of the sheer length.

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It began here when Joe sent Al a friend request.  Joe is a peacemaker.  He desires greatly to get to know Al better.

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As you can see by the dates, there’s a gap. There is bunch of stuff, back and forth, that I omitted for brevity’s sake, but things began to heat up a bit when Joe made the now-infamous trip to Al’s farm and stopped to take a gander at Al’s daughter.

Please note that Joe says they stopped. This confirms Al’s daughter’s account, but Joe has often contradicted himself, asserting that they only slowed down.

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So Al, in the interest of being up front about the whole thing, and obviously not afraid of meeting Joe in person, suggests that they do just that.  He makes it clear in what he says that Joe cannot bully him.  Joe can’t pull the shit he pulled on the other neighbor over the water because Al is not going to tolerate it.

And Joe insists that he’s a “super friendly guy” but “indifferent.”

We should totally make Joe Naugler Secretary of State.  He’s just got the touch for dealing with a hostile situation.  First, make all sorts of accusations, and then agree to have a meal and discuss stuff.  Super.

First though, he probably needs a good English course since he cannot spell and has trouble with coherent sentences. What in the world is “my god willing way of life”?

But anyway, Joe wants to meet for a meal, on Wednesday.  He’s available then. He’s not available any other time because he’s so busy with his job.

Wait.  No.  Anyway.

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So, it’s on.  Al suggested it. Joe agreed ’cause he’s a super friendly guy. Detente shall surely follow.

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More from Joe, including a valiant attempt to placate Al with an assertion that Joe is only having the conversation out of curiosity.  That’s going to make for solid ground to form an understanding when they meet, I’m sure.

The highlighted part illustrates part of why my husband was concerned about me doing this blog.  Joe thinks this is really nothing, not even worth mentioning (only he mentions it).  But you know what?  If you do a search for my criminal record, or my husband’s criminal record, you know what you will find?

Nothing.

And then comes the little sermonette. Screw your religion, Joe.  The church you claim to believe in doesn’t even want you.

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. . . yes, I did call them cunts. . .

And then he has the temerity to say that’s why she became so “vile.”

No wonder he took a plea.

All of which are saved.

Right.  Something like the video of the vehicular assault, showing the neighbor’s daughter clearly admitting that she rammed the Naugler van on purpose for Reasons.

. . . we went to work.

Oddly, we cannot tell.  Why can’t we tell? They’ve been there two years and we can’t tell.

. . . testified to the awesomeness I profess to be.

The poor judge had a headache, I’m sure, confronted with that awesomeness.

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So going by somebody’s house, and slowing down (and in Joe’s case, stopping) and having a bit of a look is not a crime.  Glad to know that.  Then quit bitching about people going by the Blessed Little Dump.

I am looking forward a finding common grounds of understanding.

That’s JoeSpeak, of course, but it means he’s going to be there Wednesday for breakfast.

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And when Al arrived at the appointed time and at the appointed place, here is what he found.

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Sometime later, Joe came over to my wall because he found my photo of an injured chicken to be threatening and starting yammering about lawsuits.  During that conversation, all of which is posted here, he made this comment when asked about his no-show.

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No. Al didn’t not ask Joe to meet after school at 3 o’clock. He asked him to have breakfast with him on Wednesday at 7:30, the day Joe said he was free to meet with Al.

Al was there.

Joe was not.

I guess it was just too “dangerous” to “talk shit in person,” and Joe finds being a keyboard warrior more to his liking.

 

Joe and Me, Conversing

OPAs I mentioned on the “About” page, here is the entire conversation from my Facebook page between me and Joe (and a few other people).  It began with the post above.  Notice the time.

That post had been up for 12 hours before Joe began commenting, which was well before he ever started snooping about on my page. It wasn’t a new post.  He had to scroll down a bit to find it.

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Obviously, Joe is not commenting about the article.  He didn’t even read it.

Because I have a very open Facebook page, I get a fairly regular influx of what my friends and I refer to as “butterflies” – people who are a wee bit strange.  So Joe didn’t bother me at first. He was just another butterfly.

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Notice how he snooped?  He checked out everything he could.

And down at the bottom, a friend of mine who has nothing to do with the Naugler saga chimed in with the comment about the “special butterfly.”  Even she realized he was bananas.

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And Joe immediately turns on her and starts with the “liberal” label like that would insult either of us.  He’s “definitely seeing a pattern here.”

I am a political liberal and atheist. So are many of my friends. That’s not a “pattern.”  That’s just life.

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Poor Joe. He’s being “libeled.” Only he isn’t.

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At this point, Joe gets confused.  A guy named Dave Davis comments (on the original article – he has no clue who Joe is) and Joe thinks that is my husband Dave.

Only it’s not, as I explain.

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Highlighted in yellow, we have Joe’s ridiculous statement that he actually knew which Dave Davis is my husband. There is no way this is true. If you were on my page, looking around at my photos, you might see my husband Dave comment, but you’d also see my friend Dave comment, and unless you’re me, you would not know which person that was.  It’s impossible to tell unless you are very familiar with their different profile pictures (and my husband changes his often).

But keep in mind that Joe saw fit to attack the person he believed was my husband Dave, and he did so for no discernable reason.

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And Joe was gone by then. I didn’t remove him.  He just left.

There were three red flags that went up for me that day.  First, Joe is an internet troll and bully and liar.  He came over to my Facebook to snoop around, based on almost nothing.

Second, right out of the gate, he starts an argument.

And third, he accuses me of “libel” without even knowing what the word means.  His goal was to intimidate me so I wouldn’t comment about them anywhere again.

And later on, when I started getting the love letters, I realized that Joe was probably the author.  It wasn’t just the IP address matchups.  It was also the fact that after focusing like a laser on my husband, Dave, above, I get a a very special love letter.

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I don’t like bullies.