Sweeping Generalizations

offensive FB page

I want to make a statement about this, just for the record.

I do not know who runs this page (or maybe ran, as I’m hoping it is down by the time I publish this). However, as soon as the offensive posting, which I am not going to share, and photograph, which I cropped, were sent to me, I did everything in my power to find out who was responsible and make sure that every effort was made to take this page down pronto.

One reason that I started this blog in the first place was because of this sort of crap.

It’s bullshit when it comes from Nicole (calling my son a “dead junkie”), and it’s bullshit when it comes from Joe (coming to my Facebook page uninvited for no other reason than to intimidate me because I dared criticize him), and it’s bullshit when it comes from a critic (whoever this lunatic is).

The person who did this is just as bad as Nicole and Joe.  Every bit as bad.

Here’s Nicole’s take on it.

Nicole

“These people.”

“They have done everything they can. . .”

“They were going. . .”

“They didn’t . . .”

“They didn’t get . . .”

Who, exactly is “they”?

veiled threat

And maybe Nicole needs to re-read this.

She has been playing with fire. She insists that she isn’t “running any of the pages and profiles,” but when the tables get turned, she lumps every critic in a big huge They and blasts away.

I sort of understand. When you don’t know, when somebody is poking at you and you can’t see the face of the attacker and it’s coming from all directions, you just tend to lump it all together.

That’s how I feel about the love letters. They are all from Joe and Nicole. Doesn’t matter to me who actually wrote them. Nicole has admitted to one of them, and the others followed the same pattern, so that’s enough for me.

The way you can stop this sort of thing, Nicole, is to stand up and say “NO” to fakes like Charles Smyth and Ben Franklin and supporters who say horrible things about the critics.  Ban those fakes. Stop your supporters (like Naomi and her garbage). Quit writing anonymous notes to people telling them that their son is a “dead junkie.”  Just stop it.

I assure you that nobody will ever be allowed to come over here and write the kind of crap about your business that was on that Facebook page, ever. And I don’t have to make ridiculous threats implying violence.

UPDATE:

I published this less than three hours ago. This is the response.

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First, what exactly do you think you’re doing to me by sharing my photo? It’s a nice photo of me and Dave in Alaska snowshoeing with friends. It was 6 degrees that day, I remember, and we stopped just long enough to snap that picture because we had to keep moving to keep from freezing. We were on a trail in the huge wildlife preserve located south of Anchorage and north of where we lived in Cooper Landing.

Dave and I have been lots of places.  We’re going to go lots more places. We have been able to do that because we are financially responsible and didn’t have more children than we could afford.  Jealous, much?

I like the photo. I don’t give a rat’s ass who sees it.

And regarding the “shut down” thing, the answer is simply “no.”  The difference between me and Nicole is that I don’t give a flying fuck if they talk about me.  I really don’t even care that Nicole called my son a “dead junkie.” That says a whole lot about her and nothing at all about either Nathan or me.  And I get to advertise the music every time she does shit like that.

And my other blog has nothing to do with any of this.  I’ll handle it, thanks very much.

But you see, this is the sort of thing “they” do.  And by “they,” I mean Joe, Nicole, their older children and their lunatic supporters.

24 thoughts on “Sweeping Generalizations”

  1. I think a lot of people requested it come down. The page was removed voluntary.
    Nicole will not reign in her supporters, or herself, with any kind of grace like that. It’s not in her.
    When I’ve been wrong, I’ve apologized. She has never once apologized for anything. Including the evil she has personally spewed at mothers with deceased children.

    Don’t expect too much.

  2. Thank you for getting on this so quickly.

    I don’t know who ran that page, I looked at it exactly twice and knew it wasn’t the kind of thing I was interested in seeing.

    Also thank you for address Nicole’s sock followers Charles and Ben. I was far more open and sympathetic to Nicole before being repeatedly attacked by these kinds of rabid followers back in May/June. With friends like that, you will make enemies.

  3. Knowing what I know, I have mixed feelings in regards to that picture. On one hand I agree with you. On the other hand if you stop to think about it, that picture did not identify the shop, the blessed ones, the names of their children. Did not display the plate number of the car. The person who posted that photo could have been talking about any shop in anywhere USA.

  4. I’ve been busy. I missed this one. I also missed the debacle about her wish lists on Amazon, that is, right up until she posted my Amazon information on her page. I hadn’t published her Amazon information.

    Just more of her lumping everyone in as them and then attacking who she chooses to attack regardless of any involvement or not. She uses these opportunities to attack and try to discredit those she feels are slighting her not necessarily those who published the information. I think she does indeed know the difference between they/them and I, but that doesn’t stop her from utilizing it to her advantage. It’s all about the slight of hand with her. Smoke and mirrors to sell a fantasy.

    I’ve always been open about who runs my page. I can’t say the same for Nicole and Joe. They have had a very deep involvement in some of her “supporters” hate pages, as well as, sock puppet accounts.

  5. On the other hand if you stop to think about it, that picture did not identify the shop, the blessed ones, the names of their children.

    No, it didn’t. But the post that went along with the photo claimed stuff that simply wasn’t true, and that’s to my way of thinking a bigger problem. Furthermore, a man sitting in a parked car is not suspect of anything at all. He was just sitting there. He could have been doing anything (checking his email, taking a nap, whatever).

    The entire post, including the photograph and its accusation that was unfounded, were completely wrong. I want nothing at all to do with it. I do not want to be identified as having any part of it.

  6. Yes, Nicole, show a shred of integrity. Sally just did. Declare to any Naugler supporter “mobsters” that you despise their use of nastiness and threats. Tell them to stop.

    What did you do when supporters “Stewie to the Rescue” and Rita Brooks threatened to staple people’s faces to the floor? Or say that critics needed to be “throat punched”, or “deep throated with a chainsaw” !! Nothing. You did nothing.

    So stop “the vicious trolls” pity party. Tell your blockhead BFFs to stop their shenanigans as well.

    For the record, I wish you only success in your business. I am not part of any “THEY”. The Shenanigans page was out of line, they are to be criticized and hopefully the posts removed.

  7. I’m at a loss here. I simply cannot understand the double standard of the Nauglers. Anyone who disagrees with the life they force-feed their kids is “THEY” even if “they” have done nothing more than question Nicole on the BLH or her public personal page. If your questions get too close to the truth of the matter, she blocks you. You can’t post, you can’t even Like a post. Read only. She claims she is no part of the socks (Charles and Ben, just to name a couple but there are more, wayyy more!) or supporter pages and knows nothing about them so therefore not a “they” herself. Then categorizes all non-supporters in one fell swoop!

    And then she gets all pissy when people who’ve not been allowed to voice an opinion where she plants it look elsewhere to give voice to it.

    I’ve seen very few posts on her personal page and even less on the BLH page that were really out of line but I have seen some. But once anyone is critical of the Nauglers, Nicole sics the sock puppets, Charles, Ben, et al. (many of them are Joe & Nicole socks but they think no one knows that) on anyone who dares to be critical of them. Once the ‘henchmen’ are finished, then Nicole blocks the offender.

    But even if I disagree with the tactics of some critics of the Nauglers, I understand the frustration in trying to have a dialogue with Nicole. She has repeatedly said the critics were tearing her family down. Uh, no. Nicole. I’m a critic and I’ve never spoken a word against your children. Not.One.Word. But you? Yep. Joe. Absolutely! Where I come from, a man provides for his family, whatever it takes. You have been especially blessed with some beautiful children. I’m not sure why. You don’t deserve them, that’s for sure.

    For the record, I’m a critic but I am not a part of ‘them’ or ‘they’. How about you *really* welcome dialogue and discussion rather than ban those who don’t agree with you?

  8. Well, I didn’t know the page existed or saw the post before. I’m not a “they”, and “they” doesn’t get to represent me. There seems to be many pages that pop up on Facebook, attached to the Naug public story and limited celebrity. With all sorts of motivations, both supporter and non supporter. By my reading them, or not, does not associate me as a “we” or a “they”. And I don’t want to be the target of “blowback”, by being classified as a “they”. So just stop with the “they”, that would be nice.

    I appreciate your “Sweeping Generalizations” post. And your position on the offensive bullshit. This is one of the ideals that attracted me to the blog. Now if only Nicole would monitor the likes of Charles and Ben and some other offensive and nasty socks and the behaviors she supports.

    Lisa said, “Just more of her lumping everyone in as them and then attacking who she chooses to attack regardless of any involvement or not. She uses these opportunities to attack and try to discredit those she feels are slighting her not necessarily those who published the information. I think she does indeed know the difference between they/them and I, but that doesn’t stop her from utilizing it to her advantage. It’s all about the slight of hand with her. Smoke and mirrors to sell a fantasy.” I agree.

    I do feel for you, Lisa. I’ve seen the undeserving personal attacks towards you. And you, too, Blessed Little Blogger. And you both are not “they”, you have not hidden your identities. You’ve been personally attacked because you are critical and a non supporter.

    I really don’t have much input on the offensive page and post. I didn’t see the original post. But yeah, it’s offensive. Not something I would of been interested to see.

  9. SO, if THE SAID person is JOE, Where are the kids? If the van is used for hauling and stuff, where do the kids sit? Not in the van! Why isnt he at the homestead.

    I see it this way. Those kids are isolated, and restricted. GOD FORBID one of them try to go outside the “homestead”, get a license, a real job or get married, then what?

    I agree, take down your public stuff. Once your crap was thrown into the public, it was open. The public has every right to watch out for any mimor child.. yes ANY!

  10. I see Donny, aka Ben is doxing again with intent to intimade. I have a couple videos and some information you might find interesting.

  11. They – well surprised she did not use her favorite term “trolls”. But I imagine she did not use it cause she is trying to look good with the post in hopes that she can use it to their advantage if it comes to that.

    Some of “they” on her page BLH have stated that she went to the police but they would not help her.
    First off she blast the police all the time but had enough gall to go to them when she sees fit? How ironic!
    Second does she not think that the police watch her bashing them on facebook? Remember the video where the sheriff made reference to her facebook page? Yes they are watching it and I bet making notes. FYI – Law enforcement see each other as brothers and sisters and they stick together. So just because Nicole has a hate relationship against the Sheriff dept does not mean that the State police are going to side with you. Instead they will back their brother/sister.

    Nicole wants all pages taken down but it is okay for her “they” to do the same and she does not say anything about that. She claims to not have anything to do with those other pages but that has been proven false when she told some one she did and they turned tables on her and told it.

    Yes some of the stuff went over the line but it has on both sides. Her “they” go after everyone that does not agree with Nicole. The “trolls” do not do that they do not target the Naugler supporters instead they post stuff about Nicole and Joe. With most of the “trolls” the kids and business are pretty much off limits, yes a few have crossed the line but that is not so with Nicole’s “they”.

    Nicole did admit she said that about your son but it spoke volumes when she did not admit that it was wrong. Oh wait she is never wrong. I bet it would kill her to have to eat goat and admit she was wrong.

    Nicole wants pages taken down but she forgets that Joe wanted this to go viral. Well it went viral and did not go as they thought it would. The two of them should count their blessings that it went viral and got them a good chunk of change to blow instead of investing it wisely in the best interest of the kids.

  12. Thank you for nipping this in the bud. I was still upset from something they put on there a few days ago about the Amazon wish list. That they had reported them to DCFS and called the authorities. Because of the items on a teenager’s wish list?! We don’t have to agree with every aspect of someone’s life, maybe the mother was giving choice in the wish list and wasn’t worried about it because she didn’t think he’d ever actually get it. People shouldn’t call the authorities on every teenager with ‘violent’ ‘toys’, otherwise my husband would have been in trouble for have nunchucks and a samurai sword when he was a teenager… There were lines being crossed. Glad it’s shut down.

  13. Thank you for nipping this in the bud.

    I didn’t do anything but check around to voice my personal opinion that it should come down. I have no authority over what other people do. So I didn’t “nip” anything.

  14. She claims to not have anything to do with those other pages but that has been proven false when she told some one she did and they turned tables on her and told it.

    Occam’s Razor says that she has her fingers in every one of those pages. What are the odds that people who have a mild interest in the Naugler situation because they themselves have had a run-in with CPS at some point (like people in prison, people who have been reported to CPS are never, ever guilty of anything), or who are neo-Nazis, or who are militia types, or who homeschool, or who think that “homesteading” sounds so romantic and want to try it and so they “like” her Facebook page – what are the odds that those folks are gonna start massive numbers of FB pages all intended to somehow defend Nicole by bashing her critics? And they are all going to do this without telling Nicole a single word about it.

    Sure.

  15. More extreme behavior!? It makes no sense to me the aggression and threats people are making by sharing personal pictures. You are braver than I that it doesn’t bother you. It very much bothered me when they did the same to me, with a family portrait from my sister’s wedding. The situation seems to have deteriorated into aggressive mud slinging, and any real conversations that have been attempted have been poked and prodded at. I just don’t understand it. It’s so black and white, if you don’t love everything the family does, they consider you an ‘enemy’ or threat. This is just not reality. Why can’t there be real conversation about differing opinions. You know, free thought and choices, that she touts often. It’s off-putting from every direction, but I feel such vitriol and hate from the 2 male ‘sock’ accounts that they scare the heck out of me! I am disappointed she has called their behavior simply poking and prodding behavior, but puts the hammer down on differing opinions. It would be great if there could be honest, progress making, conversations instead of threats and shadiness.

  16. “I didn’t do anything but check around to voice my personal opinion that it should come down. I have no authority over what other people do. So I didn’t “nip” anything.”

    I guess what I meant was, I was glad you took such a clear stance to separate yourself from it. It’s nice to hear a level head through this mess.

  17. It very much bothered me when they did the same to me, with a family portrait from my sister’s wedding.

    That’s why they do it.

    I simply don’t understand why anyone cares. I set that photo at “public” because I didn’t care who saw it.

    Now, if somebody takes a photo of mine and uses it as though it’s their photo (say, their cow, or their chickens) I’m probably not going to be delighted with that, but I will mostly shrug. Frances is not, in fact, their cow. My chickens are not, in fact, their chickens.

    And Dave and I lived in Alaska for ten years and loved every second of it.

    I have had somebody take one my photos, post it and make fun of the way I look, but hey, I am old. Everyone else is either going to be old like me one day or die young. There aren’t any other alternatives. I don’t look like I’m thirty because I am not thirty.

  18. Thankyou for working to get that awful FB site down. Certainly didn’t represent me. I took a look at it and cringed.

  19. And what happened when critics made sure to distance themselves from a Facebook page with questionable ethics? To publicly take a stance against such tactics that mimic Nicole’s very own behavior? Nicole uses it to gain even more sympathy from her dimwitted supporters.

    Well, here’s what I have to say about that:

    Fuck you, Nicole, fuck you…and the goat you rode in on.

  20. Thankyou for working to get that awful FB site down.

    I didn’t do a single thing except express my disapproval. Since I do not know whose page it was, I had no way to influence that person.

  21. Sadly, the page owner we’re discussing has most likely been an extreme target during this pseudo-aggressive fiasco. There have been several who have born the brunt of over-the-top nastiness, leaving outrage in the wake of ongoing threats, taunts, innuendo and lies.

    Yesterday he/she took another look at what he/she posted, responded to opinions of others, and stepped back, taking down “ugly”. Nice. That’s how society regulates. There are truths worth stating even if no one else agrees, but, with feedback, the poster decided that this is not the right content/not the right time to draw a line in the sand. I, for one, respect that, and hope that poster is not silenced.

  22. “It’s bullshit when it comes from Nicole… and it’s bullshit when it comes from Joe … and it’s bullshit when it comes from a critic (whoever this lunatic is).” [snipped]

    The person who did this is just as bad as Nicole and Joe. Every bit as bad.”

    – – –

    Here, here! I wholeheartedly agree. In fact, some – but not all – of the FB pages run by BLH-detractors, haters, and non-supporters – or whatever grouping you choose to label “them” – can often be just as off-putting as Nicole and Joe, and the antics of their Blessed Little FB Cult (BLFBC), whose members mostly consist of themselves and their own multi-personalities who appear to us as ever-present sock accounts.

    Its embarrassing. The content is, literal trash. You know, the kind you see all over the Blessed Little Homestead. Complete, utter garbage. Who wants to stoop so low as to be grouped with Mr. and Mrs. Naugler and their trash?!

    To quote Ron Burgundy, “Stay classy, San Diego.”

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