Summary of Q&A, Chapter 4

From Sheer Luck, with my gratitude:


CHAPTER FOUR (minutes 0:45 – 1:00)

TOPICS COVERED: podcasts; proof (or lack thereof) of damages; priesthood; the plethora of patterns in the planets; personal scriptures (go ahead – write your own!); posteriors placed into one’s palms via public hearings; port-a-potties; pregnancy; prophets; Pace’s philanthropy; The patriarch’s philosophy; participation in organized religion

Head-scratching moments:
– Nicole’s statement that Rh incompatibility is only an issue in the event of accidental falls
– I’m pretty sure “hippie Mormon” is an oxymoron
– A comment from a viewer: “Tell that man to stop interrupting.” Puzzling only because by this point Joe would be interrupting himself.

Fun Facts: (or More Head-Scratchers; I couldn’t decide!)

– Kentucky Land Company now joins Sheriff Todd Pate in rating the Blessed Little Homestead Lifestyle as “kinda neat.” (For clarity I would like to point out this is not equivalent to “kinda tidy.”)
– Joe and Nicole are “in good standing” at their church. Which is fine, as they haven’t sat in it for quite some time.

Grins ‘n’ Giggles:
– Joe waxing philosophical in what is supposed to be a question and answer session
– Joe leaning so far forward we expect his nose to press into the windshield
– Joe peppering his philosophic musings with plenty of “whatnots”
– Joe generally acting….well, let’s call it “lofty.”
– “Tell that man to stop interrupting.” The only moment to truly earn two categories. I didn’t write down who said it, but the picture in my head is of a computer class at a senior center.


42 thoughts on “Summary of Q&A, Chapter 4”

  1. My mom is staying with me this week. She came in and sat with me while I watched the Blessed Ones give their the 2 hour talk. She knows nothing about the Naugler fam.

    Her take-
    “She must have just got out of bed. Look at that hair! You would think she would have combed it before being on TV!
    “They must have really dry skin”.
    “They have HOW MANY children”
    “She needs to give him a razor for his birthday”
    “Poor thing has no teeth. She may have to drink those pancakes through a straw”


  2. Did you catch the part where she says they do the laundry from the shop at the laundry mat? There are usually signs in laundry mats that say “no pet bedding”. I cannot imagine that Nic cleans out the machine after washing/drying and then runs a full cycle on the washer, empty, to rid it of pet hair.
    I would be furious if I paid to wash my clothing/sheets/towels and it came out full of dog hair stuck to everything!


  3. I confess…
    I listened to Nicole and her worst half explain the Naugler universe, which caused my brain to swell.
    Sheer Luck is good medicine (laughter) and I feel much better now…


  4. Only a concern if you fall my ass. I had to get the damn shot 4 times in my add. The way it explained to me is, my body can view the pregnancy as a foreign object and miscarry. She is so full of shit.


  5. The way it explained to me is, my body can view the pregnancy as a foreign object and miscarry.

    And the way it was explained to you is completely correct. Nicole is so ignorant about this issue that it’s simply astonishing. My guess is that she is not, in fact, RH negative at all.


  6. Wait a minute. J was in a ball pit? The things that children go into? I thik it’s creepy that any adult would go into an area that is specifically for children, but the creep factor is multiplied if it is J. Ewww. Just ewww.


  7. Given that she still keeps having healthy babies, I would have to agree with Sally that’s she’s unlikely to be rh-. Either that, or Joe and all the kids are also rh-.


  8. I would say that if Joe and Nicole were told not to come back to church they probably aren’t in good standing with the Mormon church.


  9. First of all..thanks Sheer luck…I could only watch about two minutes before I got irritated and gave up..Second..I have O RH Negative blood and had to be given a shot of Rhogam in my seventh month and then again directly AFTER delivering..both my kids have there fathers blood type which makes it even more risky during the pregnancy and during labor and delivery..I have also had a miscarriage and believe it was most likely due to my blood type…I new I had this blood type when I became pregnant…BUT, the doctor insisted on checking just to be on the safe side…better to be safe than sorry IMO…


  10. Can we all as a group call on whatever Gods, Goddesses, Demigods, Fairies, Ghosts Of Our Ancestors, Politicians, Social Workers, whatever else to GET THOSE KIDS AROUND SOME DECENT HUMAN BEINGS?! At least let them have a chance to look at options other than their parents for what humans act like.


  11. Somebody somewhere described it in a way that made it sound cool, is my guess. So she has decided that she is that thing. It would fit her M.O.


  12. This may NOT go over well, but Nicole may not be lying about the RH factor. Here is why I say this. I was born in the 60’s. My oldest sibling was born in 1953. Long before there was the Rhogam shot. Yes you guessed it my mother was RH-, my father RH+. I am RH+ like my father as are some of my siblings. I was #5 out of 9 pregnancies. My parents had 7 living children. I asked my mother years ago how she managed to have so many RH+ babies with no problems. She said the doctors told her that her blood and my dad’s blood was compatible. She never understood it, nor have I. My mom did have one baby that was full term but was born weighing only about 3 lbs. and unable to breathe on its own obviously since back then the technology did not exist to keep a baby that small alive. That baby only lived for about 12 hours. That was my mom’s second pregnancy. Unfortunately I do not know what that baby’s blood type was. Also prior to that pregnancy my mother was diagnosed as a type 1 diabetic and told she might want to consider not having anymore children. So was it the diabetes or RH factor that contributed to the negative outcome of that pregnancy? My mother also had another pregnancy where she miscarried at 17 weeks. RH factor or diabetes? I have no idea. What I do know that all subsequent pregnancies we were all induced a month early. From what my mother explained to me, she said it was due to the diabetes AND NOT the RH factor. So like I said makes me wonder in regards to Nicole’s RH assertions.


  13. This may NOT go over well, but Nicole may not be lying about the RH factor.

    I’m not claiming, ever, that Nicole is “lying” about the RH thing. I am saying that she, like you, doesn’t understand it.

    RH incompatibility does not necessarily affect every single RH negative mother with every pregnancy. Read this.

    Did you read it? Really, read it. Don’t come back until you do.

    Now then, did you notice the weasel words? “Blood can cross the barrier. . .” “. . . more likely to cause problems. . .” “. . . may even be fatal. . .”

    Typically, the mother’s blood does not cross over into the baby’s blood or vice versa. But it can. IT CAN. And you do not have to have an “accident” or “something wrong” as Nicole seems to believe for this to happen. The pregnant woman most likely won’t even be aware it has happened.

    Furthermore, in the event that fetal blood does “leak” into the mother’s bloodstream, if it’s only a teensy itsy bit, it may not result in massive antibody formation.

    RH incompatibility is not a condition that is black and white, off or on. It’s a continuum. You have have it a little bit.

    A first pregnancy is usually fine. A second or third pregnancy might be fine.

    I am RH+ like my father as are some of my siblings.

    Some of your siblings. How many of your siblings? The negative ones don’t count. I am RH negative. So was Nathan. I never needed Rhogam for that reason. Dave is RH positive, but obviously carries the negative gene since that’s what he gave Nathan (negative is recessive).

    She said the doctors told her that her blood and my dad’s blood was compatible. She never understood it, nor have I.

    You don’t understand it because it doesn’t make any sense and isn’t true. If your mother was negative and your father was positive, they were not “compatible.” They were simply very lucky. Your parents were like my parents (only slightly later – I was born in 1949). My brother was born in Australia in 1944, during the war. They didn’t even mention blood type to my mother. She hadn’t a clue. When she got pregnant with me, in the states, she went for pre-natal care. The doc did blood typing and nearly had heart failure, due to it being a second pregnancy. He called my dad at work to come to the office immediately for typing. My dad was RH negative too. We always laughed about it our family. My dad went halfway around the world and married an RH negative girl.

    But they couldn’t treat it then. They couldn’t do anything. They really didn’t know a whole hell of lot what caused it. I remember when I first got out of nursing school and was working in the NICU, we had a baby that had to have a total transfusion due to RH incompatibility. It was a fascinating, but dangerous procedure (he did fine). So his mother had the problem, had managed to carry him through to term and delivery, and THEN he was treated.

    Every single RH negative woman carrying an RH positive baby doesn’t have a bad outcome. From the same NIH website:

    An Rh-negative woman who conceives a child with an Rh-positive man is at risk for Rh incompatibility.

    At risk. At risk doesn’t mean “we’re all gonna die.” A baby can be born with RH incompatibility and simply be a bit jaundiced and that’s it. And a baby can be born with it and die. And another can be so negatively affected that it results in miscarriage. And sometimes a woman becomes sensitized a little bit and that’s all. Nothing really bad ever happens. And sometimes it gets progressively worse with every pregnancy. Nobody can predict it.

    As far your mother and the diabetes thing is concerned, it’s a crap shoot guessing at this point.

    So your mother had nine pregnancies, 7 viable. Of those, at least a couple (per what you’ve said) were moot because they are RH negative. That leaves, say, five. The first one doesn’t count at all. That makes four. Your family was very fortunate. Some families were, back in the bad old days when they couldn’t prevent this condition.

    If Nicole is, in fact, RH negative and Joe is, in fact, RH positive, then they are simply playing Russian roulette. But they’re doing that with every birth anyway. And I am going to repeat this. There is no way in the world that Nicole would know if she has been sensitized and has built up antibodies. She cannot know this without having a titer done by a lab. You can’t feel it. You don’t have to have any sort of “accident” to cause it.

    There another thing nobody ever brings up, and that’s phenylketonuria, or PKU. PKU is rare, and it’s genetic, and Joe and Nicole may very well not be carriers, but they don’t know that they aren’t, not without genetic testing. So because people don’t know, and because it is so devastating if it hits, and because it is beyond easy to treat and prevent damage if you simply know about it, all babies in the US are tested for PKU at birth.

    Except home birthed babies, unless their parents go to the effort to have them tested.

    This whole thing is irresponsible and makes me just so irritated.


  14. One other thing: I don’t get irritated because I think Nicole lies about anything to do with birthing babies. I get irritated because she is unbelievably ignorant, because she believes all the BS she finds on stupid home birth sites on the internet, written by people who are as ignorant as she is, and she then declares stupid shit like she knows what she is talking about. This applies to birthing babies, to vaccines, to education. You name it. Hell, it applies to nearly everything, including growing tomatoes and raising chickens.


  15. Double-checking….Sally, did I already send you Chapter 5?

    I don’t think so. I don’t see it anywhere.


  16. I would agree that Nicole is playing “Russian Roulette” with her pregnancies considering that she claims an RH negative blood type,,I also had “gestational” diabetes with both my kids, so it was a double whammy and made each one a high risk pregnancy..woman who do not ..or chose to not seek medical and or prenatal care (in this day and age) take unnecessary risk..IMO of course..If we are afforded the resources to utilize health care and choose not to..we only have ourselves to blame..


  17. Except home birthed babies, unless their parents go to the effort to have them tested.

    Home birthed babies in my province are tested for PKU and a whole slew of other congenital disorders via the heel prick, done by a licensed midwife, and sent to the same provincial testing centres as all the tests done in hospitals. I didn’t have to go out of my way–she showed up at my house for a checkup a day or two after the birth, and did the test as part of weighing the baby, checking to make sure feeding was going well, everything was fine with me, etc.

    Now unassisted homebirths, yeah, you’d have to go out of your way to get it done, but while the risk is tiny, the benefits of finding out about it before the baby is obviously sick is enormous.

    @Another of the 55 My sister has type 1 diabetes, and all of her pregnancies were induced/born around 37 weeks. Apparently diabetics have a higher risk of fetal death late in pregnancy, so getting the baby out a bit early is common.


  18. When I had my son and we were both in our hospital room, another woman was placed in the next bed. I could tell something was not quite right. The curtain was pulled round, her husband looked distressed, staff spoke quietly but in serious tones. The woman seemed strangely defensive. From what I gathered, this was not her first pregnancy, and I think she was supposed to have had the rhogan shot during her pregnancy but chose not to, and apparently never told the father. Now the baby was in trouble. No idea of outcome as I was too wrapped up in my own baby. But that sliver of memory sticks with me. Why risk your baby’s health and well-being, I remember thinking.


  19. Awhile back Nicole did this whole thing about her blood type and Rh and how her mother is AB+ but she (Nicole) is O- (if I am remembering correctly). The long and the short – it just proved that Nicole knows nothing about how genetics work. One parent cannot be AB and the offspring O, it just does not work that way even if Nicole thinks that it does.


  20. Home birthed babies in my province are tested for PKU

    You’re in Canada. I am not talking about Canada.


  21. I humored with the wit in, ” Joe and Nicole are “in good standing” at their church. Which is fine, as they haven’t sat in it for quite some time.” Good standing….they haven’t sat… LOL!

    Regarding the Rh factor, when I miscarried with my first pregnancy, I received the Rhogam shot. I assume I also received the Rhogam shot upon presenting at the ER with a later ectopic pregnancy. Sometime during the emergency surgery to stop the hemorrhaging, and remove the fallopian tube and pregnancy. My hemo was a 4. And with the subsequent blood transfusions. Of course, a precautionary and to prevent me from creating antibodies against Rh factor. Anyways, Nic really should leave conventional medicine to the professionals, instead of reading about medical stuff and suddenly assuming she is so knowledgeable. For her own benefit, and others that may unfortunately assume she is some kind of prenatal and child birthing pro. Ignorance and stupidity can sometimes have a blurred line between the two. In the event of a tragedy, I can’t imagine having that onus on one’s back, thinking you know it all.

    Thanks again for another great CliffsNotes. I don’t think I made it this far into the live video.


  22. I’m in USA and I homebirth. It is part of the birth process to test PKU after birth.. optional but offered and my midwife simply does it at the next day or so.


  23. My youngest daughter is RH-.
    She delivered my very tiny grandson via emergency C-sec @ 26 weeks due to Hellp syndrome. She didn’t present with “normal” symptoms of Hellp (I probably should add that she found out she was pregnant @17 weeks. She has a bicornuate uterus and has menstrual periods all the time.) Her Ob/gyn was not there that day and another dr was on call. He had her tested for hellp and RH. She was given the rhogam as soon as the test results came back. She was heading downhill fast and delivered within 2 hrs of confirmation.
    With all that said, if Nitchy were to develope this or even pre E, she and the baby WOULD die.
    How could they not want help and prenatal care for these babies they bring into this world?
    BTW, our 1 lb 15 oz micro preemie is 2 years old and amazing!


  24. For all the non-U.S.A.-based readers:

    Your country may have a system by which midwives are all highly educated people with years of training and experience in birth and all its complications. The U.S. has highly educated midwives with years of training and experience in birth and it’s complications, and they are called Certified Nurse Midwives. They are nurses with more medical training than typical nurses specifically in birth and all its complications. They almost invariably deliver in hospitals/birthing centers. They carry insurance and work with doctors if something bad/unusual happens. They have the support of the health care system and their services are part of our health insurance system.

    Note: many people in the U.S. live in small towns and rural areas. Many cities’ roads weren’t designed for the traffic they get (see: Boston). So no matter what, the only safe way to birth is making sure you’re already in the hospital during labor, because if you or your baby have complications, it could take a while to get to a hospital with the right people and equipment.

    Unfortunately, the U.S. also has people who call themselves some variation of “Certified Professional Midwife.” They may not have even graduated high school. They do home births and do them badly. Almost all home births attended by a “midwife” has one of these clowns.

    For more information, I direct you to Skeptical OB , written by a gynecologist who has seen too many mothers and babies injured and killed by CPMs.


  25. instead of reading about medical stuff

    But what she’s reading isn’t medical stuff. It’s articles and websites and crap put on the web by people just like her. It’s a circular fantasy that rejects all science.


  26. I’m in USA and I homebirth. I

    And I pronounce you an idiot. This is not a pro-homebirth blog. It’s not even a neutral place. You will not be met with tolerance from me.


  27. Another part of the at-birth heel stick screening is for lactose tolerance. It’s actually galactosemia which is similar to PKU but involves sugar metabolism rather than proteins. It, too, is an autosomal recessive trait with a 1 in 4 chance of occurring. Failing to treat during pregnancy and throughout life has devastating affects on the baby including severe brain damage, organ failure, blindness, and death.
    Genetic issues are sneaky, they can hide for generations and between one mother’s multiple births. Chance has no memory, so every pregnancy is a crap shoot. Without screening there is no way to prepare for or ameliorate the outcome.


  28. Last week my daughter told me she had a lump under her skin behind her right, I got her in to see her pediatrician on Tuesday…after some blood work, the doc said it was just an inflamed lymph node.(white blood cell count was perfect)..thank goodness!…while we were chatting with her Doctor, my daughter mentioned that she thought it might be a swollen lymph node because she researched it on the web..well,,thats fine and dandy and the internet can be a great source of information…however, when she told me this..I threw a small fit and told her it was better to be safe than sorry and thats why we went to the professional…and I told her never to try and self diagnose herself again..


  29. nd I told her never to try and self diagnose herself again..

    Well, there’s nothing wrong with being as informed as possible. It’s sort of like this: I know that lawyers charge by the hour (minute – second). So if I have to see an attorney, I do my homework. I go in armed with as much information as possible so he doesn’t have to educate me at my own expense. We can cut to the chase and get whatever needs done – done.

    Ditto my doc. He doesn’t need to have to sit there and explain shit to me if I can find it on the web before going in.

    What I do not do is take a web-based diagnoses and use it as an excuse to not go to the doc.


  30. I don’t even know why women would want to home birth. Most birthing centers in hospitals are lovely now days. One of my sons and his wife are expecting. We toured the birthing center they will be going to and I tell you what… Women are treated like queens there. There is every comfort availed to them. They even get a lobster dinner after the baby is born. I know the birthing center at the next closest hospital is just as wonderful.

    They also are using a midwife. They see her for regular check-ups in an OBGYN’s office and she will be there for the delivery. They chose the midwife route because the cost was lower and they will get more office visits than they would have with the regular OB there. I have every confidence in their midwife.


  31. To be fair, I do sometimes use medical web sites to decide if I should see a doctor, but it’s more about the “when to see a doctor” types of lists: If your headache has lasted x days, and/or your fever is higher than y, then schedule an appointment, that sort of thing. Which is of course not what we’re talking about, since that’s about self-triage, not self-diagnosis. Sure, in the process I’ll come up with some guesses and do a bit of reading. And if I suspect I have something that isn’t going to be made worse by guessing at a treatment or by waiting, I might decide “sounds like plantar plantar fasciitis” – and try some arch supports in my shoes. And if they don’t help, it’s time to pick up the phone.

    Truthfully, though, this is more about my own laziness than anything else; even with insurance, going to the doctor is still something that I’d rather not do than do. It doesn’t help that I have a family chock-full-o-docs who tend towards the medically conservative side of things: “Colds last fourteen days with medication, and two weeks without medication!” Har-dee-har. Doctors are often champions of denial when it comes to themselves or their own family’s conditions, and I think some of that rubbed off on me.

    So, everyone – do as I say, not as I do, and see your doctor! ?


  32. Oops, that’s just “plantar fasciitis.” Naturally if I had the dreaded “plantar-plantar fasciitis” I’d head straight for the ER. ?


  33. Blessed Little Blogger
    “…..I get irritated because she is unbelievably ignorant, because she believes all the BS she finds on stupid home birth sites on the internet, written by people who are as ignorant as she is, and she then declares stupid shit like she knows what she is talking about.”

    Nicole blabs on and on and the ignorant followers praise her because, “She should know! She has had 12 kids”.


  34. They also are using a midwife.

    And that is the way to give birth today. Women back when I was young would have given anything for a facility like that.


  35. I’ve met a few women over the years who home birthed and each one talked like they received the Metal of Honor. Like they had bragging rights to their heroism. Same with a lot of women who had a natural child birth with no meds. I go to baby showers and I listen to these women trying to one up each other with their birthing stories. I hosted a baby shower for my daughter-in-law and I was listening to a few women telling my daughter-in-law how hard they had it. There was one home birther who was particularly bad and annoyed me. I finally told them to stop, “You’ll scare her.” Happens at every baby shower I’ve ever been to. Like men sharing war stories I swear.

    Nicole is that way. She thinks she’s a hero for home birthing and she wants to be the role model of the home birther. Irritates the hell out of me when I see some of her supporters take what she has to say as the ultimate truth. That could get some young woman in trouble if they take Nicole’s advice. Not to mention Nicole’s advice on vaccinating children. I cringe just thinking about anyone taking Nicole’s advice. The result of that could prove fatal to women and children. I’m not kidding either.

    On a lighter note we will probably see pictures, or a video of Nicole pooping on her baby again. I bet the kids got a giggle out of that!


  36. I can imagine the look on my midwife’s face if she had had somebody like Nicole before she retired. The one thing she asked of her clients was that they do the work. Clean. Build up stocks of nourishing, easily prepared food. Make provision for young children in the home during the neonatal period. Do their prenatal exercises. Floss. Have an emergency backup plan. Take a class on how labor, birth, and the immediate post-partum period actually work. And don’t even get her started on anti-vaxxing. She would’ve fired Nicole so fast and called CPS to boot! Face of homebirthing? Sure, Nicole, you just go on believing that.


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