Sex Ed, Unschooling-Style

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This comes from a couple of months ago.  I find the timing interesting. Nicole, it seems, is suddenly interested in what you do with teenagers who have hormones unleashed and are dating.  How do you handle it?

What follows are about a dozen comments, many of them talking about house rules that involve no shacking up and no opposite-sex visitors in the bedroom behind closed doors.

So Nicole asks:


And Charles, our favorite sockpuppet, who is quite obviously female by the way, prefers no shagging by minors.

I found this sort of mystifying since the Nauglers have no bedroom doors anywhere at all.  What could she be thinking of?  The old shitshack where the older boys supposedly live now?

And after that are more than 20 additional comments, most of them saying about the same thing.

Basically this: teenagers get horny and screw around.  You know, like Joe.


What do they do on that property all day?  I thought they were #unschooling?  Is there no sex-ed class?




26 thoughts on “Sex Ed, Unschooling-Style”

  1. Very interesting.

    I wonder why Nikki dear would be scared of having a new generation of Nauglets running around. She doesn’t want to be Grandma Naugler?
    Should we expect an announcement?


  2. I am pretty sure those children are well versed in how sexual intercourse works, since the spent a year sleeping right next to Ma and Pa on that shitty ass platform in the Stick Shack!!


  3. Creepy, that comment Joe made. Naug parents act like they would be violating their kid’s right to fornicate if they encouraged them to prepare for a family.


  4. One of the older children, I won’t identify which one, has a boyfriend/girlfriend (again, not identifying), who is now using the Naugler last name on FB.

    These kids are going to want to date and have relationships and be sexually active. How do you handle that when you’ve stranded them in the middle of nowhere, with no interaction through school or other activities, and no ssn or BC to get a job and move out on their own.

    Nicole doesn’t want her kids having, um… relations… on her property, but she’s given them no options to grow up and go anywhere else.


  5. Maybe they should ask the other minors family how they feel about the ol clock a tickin with their kids. Pretty certain any sane parent would nix that shit quick


  6. Wait. So JoJo is saying that if you put rules and expectations in place for your children who are dating, you will have rebellious teens? What an idiot. Was this part of his associates in psychology degree? Or, more likely, part and parcel of his absolute indifference to his children and his twisted views.
    I hope the girlfriend of the eldest, first and foremost doesn’t let their daughter anywhere near the blessed prophet and I hope they have taken the time to instruct her not only in birth control, but about the responsibility of intimacy. If I were her parent I would be having a very serious conversation with her beau as well.


  7. Oh holy shit. This is more and more reflective of cult behavior.

    This list came directly from and one used throughout groups to determine if cult behaviors exist.

    Concerted efforts of influence and control lie at the core of cultic groups, programs, and relationships. Many members, former members, and supporters of cults are not fully aware of the extent to which members may have been manipulated, exploited, even abused.

    The following list of social-structural, social-psychological, and interpersonal behavioral patterns commonly found in cultic environments may be helpful in assessing a particular group or relationship.

    Compare these patterns to the situation you were in (or in which you, a family member, or friend is currently involved). (Or viral internet wanna be homesteading family)

    This list may help you determine if there is cause for concern. Bear in mind that this list is not meant to be a cult scale or a definitive checklist to determine if a specific group is a cult. This is not so much a diagnostic instrument as it is an analytical tool.

    ‪ The group displays excessively zealous and unquestioning commitment to its leader and (whether he is alive or dead) regards his belief system, ideology, and practices as the Truth, as law.

    ‪ Questioning, doubt, and dissent are discouraged or even punished.

    ‪ Mind-altering practices (such as meditation, chanting, speaking in tongues, denunciation sessions, and debilitating work routines) are used in excess and serve to suppress doubts about the group and its leader(s).

    ‪ The leadership dictates, sometimes in great detail, how members should think, act, and feel (for example, members must get permission to date, change jobs, marry or leaders prescribe what types of clothes to wear, where to live, whether or not to have children, how to discipline children, and so forth).

    ‪ The group is elitist, claiming a special, exalted status for itself, its leader(s) and members (for example, the leader is considered the Messiah, a special being, an avatar to the group and/or the leader is on a special mission to save humanity).

    ‪ The group has a polarized us-versus-them mentality, which may cause conflict with the wider society.

    ‪ The leader is not accountable to any authorities (unlike, for example, teachers, military commanders or ministers, priests, monks, and rabbis of mainstream religious denominations).

    ‪ The group teaches or implies that its supposedly exalted ends justify whatever means it deems necessary. This may result in members’ participating in behaviors or activities they would have considered reprehensible or unethical before joining the group (for example, lying to family or friends, or collecting money for bogus charities).

    ‪ The leadership induces feelings of shame and/or guilt in order to influence and/or control members. Often, this is done through peer pressure and subtle forms of persuasion.

    ‪ Subservience to the leader or group requires members to cut ties with family and friends, and radically alter the personal goals and activities they had before joining the group.

    ‪ The group is preoccupied with bringing in new members.

    ‪ The group is preoccupied with making money.

    ‪ Members are expected to devote inordinate amounts of time to the group and group-related activities.

    ‪ Members are encouraged or required to live and/or socialize only with other group members.

    ‪ The most loyal members (the true believers)feel there can be no life outside the context of the group. They believe there is no other way to be, and often fear reprisals to themselves or others if they leave (or even consider leaving) the group.

    Kind of makes you go hmmmmm


  8. blech. This might be unacceptable for blog fodder, and I totally understand if it is, but I noticed the eldest’s gf has changed her fb last name to Naugler. Because boundaries are a statist construct I guess.


  9. Also, in what universe is it appropriate to talk about your children’s personal/dating lives on a public post with at minimum 45,000 pairs of eyeballs reading about it?!


  10. Well, in this day and age I would hope and (almost) expect one of the participants to take birth control seriously. Particularly methods that minimize the risk of an STD.


  11. There is sex for physical enjoyment only, and there is sex as an expression of a more committed relationship between two partners. This committed relationship should demonstrate respect for both partners. Now, the children have seen and heard too much in their communal bedroom, but have they seen any examples of a committed relationship where both partners respect each other and both work towards meeting common goals? The only relationship those kids have as a model is N & J. Blech.


  12. “What do they do on that property all day? I thought they were #unschooling? Is there no sex-ed class?”

    They get McPreggers.

    And this is NOT funny shit.


  13. If Joe’s in favor if kids doing whatever, then he better get off his fat fucking ass and get a job to start supporting his goddamned grandkids. That god he cites also wants people to do something about tending the flock, yet that worthless sack of shit father does nothing.

    Also didn’t Nicole say her son has a girlfriend and it’s going great? When did Joe say it’s vis via FB messenger?

    I have a bad feeling that sex ed for those kids is watching their father mount their mother and grunt a few times. The probably know nothing about birth control.


  14. How hard is it to teach your children about sex-ed? Seriously?!? I have older children and adults. We’ve been very open with them about sex. We’ve always included protection as a must in those discussions. We’ve been blunt about STDs and the poverty that comes with having children early. I don’t believe in hiding cold, hard facts from teenagers. You do children a disservice by not being honest with them. And yes having a child as a child will destroy your life. Sure you can rise up from it but I want more for my children. I’d be crushed if one of them had a child early in life.

    I’m super sad about the rumors floating about. Like life can’t get more screwed up on the shitstead.


  15. Peg, teens can’t rebel against rules that don’t exist. The lack of rules is why I’ve referred to the kids as feral in the past. They are left to fend for themselves in all ways, including their own rules. I think the only reason those kids are wild in the sense of wild-animal wild is because they have each other for company and have formed their own pack. Lord knows their parents don’t watch after them or give them more than the barest of the bare essentials to remain alive. Those kids have to do it all. They even have to figure out their own rules.

    I feel so bad for those kids. It’s not their fault. This is 100% on their shittastic egg-donor and sperm-donor.


  16. Ma and Pa would not teach the kids birth control as they do not believe in it.

    Oh I can only imagine the scene of the girl giving birth at the shitshed in a cow trough. It is not going to be a pretty sight especially with a first time mom and so young to boot. Natural labor is not always rainbows and glitter. I have seen some young first time mothers even with a well working epidural carry on like they were dying. The only relief from pain at the shitshed is a bullet to bite on.

    I am hopeful that the girls family will talk some sense into her. There is always hope since this is a new relationship that break up.

    “Mcpreggers” Al you win with that one!


  17. Farm girl, that mental image makes me so sad. I’d be devastated if my daughter were to end up with a Naugler boy still living at he shitstead because that sort of scene is something that terrifies me. I don’t thin Nicole and Joe have raised those kids to see themselves as truly autonomous being from their parents. They’ve raised those kids to see themselves as THEIRS, THEIR property. I’m glad one child can cut her hair, but Nicole’s made is clear that those supposedly independent kids can’t go to school, even if they want to. I think she’s found that perfectly awful balance between making the kids feel responsible for the bad in their lives since they’re responsible for it, while also making them see themselves as property of their parents.

    So if my child ended up with a Naugler who was still living on that property, I’d be scared that that boy would follow in the footsteps of the sperm donor. I’d be scared of my grandchild spending time in that dangerous filth.

    I can’t imagine the boy’s girlfriend’s parents being thrilled with this.

    I want that boy to find love, but he needs to be independent of his parents first, and away from that property. If they’re talking about sex ed, when they’re probably against birth control for even their kids, then I’m going to start looking ahead at their son’s first child and thinking of that child. That child’s needs need to be considered.

    Oh my god, we’re talking about the next generation of Nauglers.


  18. @Kaylee, I want those kids to find independence too but there is no hope for the oldest now. He has no education. He’ll be stuck in a menial job or jobs in order to support his child. That is unless he follows in his father’s footsteps. There is no independence once you are a parent at 17 or 18, not sure of his age. I was hoping his job would lead to community college or something along those lines. This is a nightmare.


  19. Noooooooo. Please, someone tell me that the ending comments are not going where I think they are. I think I might be sick.


  20. So within weeks of the new exciting relationship, the young couple have an exciting announcement.
    I’m not going to put the blame solely on the Naugs for this. It appears the girlfriends parents have also dropped the ball.
    There are going to be some hard life lessons to learn for two people who are totally unprepared


  21. I’m afraid this means that it’s a new generation of Nauglers that CPS will have to follow up on; there’s no way they can let another adult and an infant live in that shack, and there’s no way they’ll be allowed to live in the “Tool shed”.

    I’m so sad for this entire situation; those kids are pretty much set up for failure and being such young parents means they’ll be struggling for a long time. Damn.


  22. For those of us rooting for those kids, it sucks to see them follow in MeeMaw and PeePaw’s footsteps.

    Children are blessings but shitting them out like turds isn’t what most of us had in mind.


  23. Dinah, I have to agree with you. It’s hard enough rising from these ashes even when teens have diplomas. I looked at the leads FreeJinger gave to confirm the pregnancy, and saw that the girl graduated, but we know for fact that the boy has no education. I won’t take away from that boy that he’s made an effort around the shitstead, but that effort’s only going to take him so far in the adult world. I doubt Nicole will encourage her son. I think she’d hold him back out of jealousy that he has a fresh start and she can’t have one. I think she’d even guilt him about not loving the family if he takes his paycheck and leaves instead of staying there and paying her rent for the tin-and-stick shack in the back.

    My hope is that the father-to-be continues working. He’s doing more than his sperm-donor’s doing, so maybe that baby will get lucky and its dad will remember life in a warm house with sturdy walls and non-mystery food. But my gut feeling is there’ll be a couple more babies in the next handful of years, and the cycle will continue.


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