Roads

Return with me to yesteryear, just about three and a half years ago.

Nicole’s old blog

The county was ignoring the road.  How awful.  The county was ignoring the road and it did not go over well with Nicole.

She pays a whopping $200 annually in property taxes on that shitty property and for that, she expects service, god damn it. In February, on a gravel road.  Fix it.

She called the county and the state. She called everybody.

You know what?

Dave and I lived on an unpaved road in Alaska for ten years. Not only was it unpaved, but we had a slight hill to climb to get to the main road, which was paved about five years after we moved there.

The borough plowed the roads, but of course the main roads came first and our road was secondary. Alaska gets snow all winter long usually, and sometimes we’d have six inches or even a foot of snow on our road before the plow came.

And we managed.

It was amazing that we did.

Nobody griped and fussed and called the borough and state.

A few times, we all got together and put out salt ourselves.  Sometimes we got snow blowers and shovels and dug our way out.

See that?  That’s as good as the road ever got in winter. That’s typical.  And that’s midday.

And yeah, we had winter tires.  When you live in the wilderness, that’s what you do. You prepare to live in the wilderness.

You don’t move to the wilderness and then complain bitterly because the county doesn’t come plow your road immediately.  In Kentucky, if they wait just a couple of days, they don’t have to plow gravel back roads with only a few houses on them. It will melt. That means they don’t have keep as many people working plows, and it means they don’t have own as many plow trucks.

That’s why the taxes are only $200.  You pay almost nothing and you get almost nothing.

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55 thoughts on “Roads”

  1. We should publish memes saying “what about her road?”

    Hahahaha. Breathe. Hahahaha. How did I ever miss this blog post of hers.

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  2. We pay road association dues because our road is never managed by the county. These dues pay for things like culvert building/maintenance, gravel as needed, signage, and trimming the brush. It’s definitely more of an “insurance” situation rather than paid regular management. If the weather is bad (last year was our first year, and it was a high snowfall year) we have plans to park elsewhere and walk home as necessary; that’s just life in the country.

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  3. Yeah they so don’t touch gravel roads. There is a couple gravel roads off the county road I live on. We have been on this street for almost 5 years, not once have they touched the gravel roads. And they do a crappy job on the county roads as well. My equinox sucks in the winter time, but my husband’s truck has 4wd.

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  4. Gravel roads are better in winter if they just pack down the snow and let it freeze solid. Of course, that doesn’t work so well when you live in a climate where there is freeze/thaw/freeze/thaw going on all winter long.

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  5. Nicole pays next to nothing in property taxes. And even that sum, she complains about. STFU about taxation, Missy. You know how you can live w/out taxation? Become a Bedouin. If you think snow and potholes are bad, try driving on sand.

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  6. How the hell do you wear out tires (multiple according to her) on snow? How?
    We have some funky roads here in the Interior of Alaska and where I am, if it storms pretty good, we can expect 2 or 3 days to go by before the State plows the main road. It’s just a fact of winter life.
    We had a severe ice storm 5 years ago and it was 6 days before the plows came down our main road and bladed it so there was traction. We always have a stock of people and animal food for such emergencies and fuel for the generator, so it was nothing more than a week’s paid vacation.
    We also weren’t in a fire service area until 2 years ago which meant if the house was on fire, break out the marshmallows. We haul trash and water….not at the same time….LOL.
    And we only got DSL about 3 years ago. It’s slow and often doesn’t work but then we don’t pay much either.
    And our taxes are $350 this year. Suck it up Nicole.

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  7. Winter tires help. It’s not rocket surgery, Joe and Nicole.

    This still puts me in mind of the storm that knocked a tree down on “her” road. Joe’s $900 chainsaw was nowhere to be found. Instead, it was the evil statist retiree from the Marine Corps next door who came over and cut the tree up so she could be on her way. He was their favorite when he was giving them summer sausage, not so much when he’d had it with their goats regularly turning up on his property.

    They’re only all about voluntaryism and against the evils of government when things are going their way. The second they needed those state and county services, they were all over them (the roads to the hospital, the county-funded hospital that they’re going to stiff, the federal government that said you have to treat anyone in an emergency situation regardless of their insurance status or ability to pay, etc.).

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  8. They could have gotten studded tires or chains like people who drive daily on roads like that have. Like the neighbour they mentioned and his truck.

    The paved road in front of my house is almost never totally clear of snow, but we have winter tires, shovels, and tracks to put down under the tires to get moving again if you get stuck. We use them more for other people than ourselves with our current van though.

    I live on a bus route, and at least once per winter a city bus gets stuck at the end of the road, where there’s the horrible combo of an incline, stop sign, turn, and just enough afternoon sun to make the snow more slippery. When it happens, no one whines at the city, because it happens on days that we get a ton of snow and the city has out every crew they can already. There is some entertainment to be had watching the efforts to move the bus and ultimately it backing down the road. Something to distract while shoveling the mountains of snow.

    Did it not occur to Nicole that because the winter was so exceptionally bad, the town’s resources and budget were already strained to the max? 200 doesn’t go far in a snow budget, let alone for everything else involved in running a county. And I thought Joe was all antistate anyway; shouldn’t be have been out there with his plow and bags of grit and salt?

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  9. Where do debters go, in a “Voluntaryist” society, like the one the Nauglers advocate?

    Debter’s prison! Or a labor-camp. After all, they “voluntarily” signed that hospital contract! But more likely, no hospital would accept them – maybe a backyard Veterinarian.

    Ayn Rand also considered taxation theft. But what she advocates, is this: Because all taxation is theft, one should be signing up for every little service available, in an attempt to get back every penny stolen from them in the first place, as a matter of principle!

    Get with it, Fat Fuck – Joe, you wanna-be piece of shit! Id love to see you live in a voluntaryist society! You wouldnt last! And lastly, you know nothing about anarchism – nothing! You fucking poser!

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  10. In my part of the country, it snows,, it snows a lot,

    We shovel our way out to the main road and when the state plows the road that snow has to go somewhere. It ends up at the front of our driveway and we dig it out and move it so we can get out. Its winter you POS. Get you worthless Spermdonor out there nd hve him do a bit of work maintaining your own piece of shit road. If it snows really bad. FRIENDS with plows push the snow out of our driveway, even the borough worker will plow our driveway out even though he would get fired if it were known he did it. You know why NN, its because were friends with him. We did not alienate every person within the whole state of Kentucky. Get a fucking life and get Jabba out there to get a job. Homesteader my ass

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  11. Nicole doesn’t get the road service she “pays” for or deserves. She gets the same road service everyone else gets on a priority basis.

    Usually, some back roads are cleaned sooner than others based on school bus routes. Since she doesn’t use statist schools (or any other type of schooling) her road isn’t a priority.

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  12. Ohhhhh. What a hard life…..I live in northern MN, tippy toppity northern mn, born and raised 5 miles from the Canadian border. We joked in the winter that the roads were 1 lane in the country and if you have a car coming from the other direction, someone’s going to get stuck. I have moved east since I hit adulthood but still very northern. We live in the country. We have always had a 4×4 truck just in case, we also invest in a good plow/snowblower/whatever your winter weapon of choice is. My husband always says that you don’t need 4×4 if you know how to drive in MN winters 😉 We use to live down a really long gravel road that wouldn’t get plowed for days after a storm. We would end up with one truck plowing and everyone else following behind it to get out, usually the neighbors were pleasant enough to plow their own section so you usually only had to plow from your house to the next and that neighbor would do the same and so forth. Sometimes we had to bit the bullet and plow the whole damn road, which was pretty long, probably 1.5-2 miles long but we never complained.

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  13. Only $200 a year for property taxes?

    Well, she has 28 acres of very crappy raw land. They don’t count the garden shed as a structure because it’s not permanent. In the same state, we have 20 acres of much better farm land, a house, a garage, a second old garage, and a barn, on a paved road. Our property taxes run around $800 annually.

    This is about one third of the amount we paid on a house with a garage on about 1/2 acre in Alaska.

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  14. Its winter you POS.

    One other thing is that people will plow your road or driveway for a fee. Lots of people make money doing that in winter.

    We don’t even own a proper snow shovel here. We left them all in AK. So several years ago when we had some unusually long-lasting snowfall, we asked our neighbor if he’d come over and plow our driveway since he has the equipment to do that. And he won’t take money from us, so we bought him a case of beer.

    That’s how it works.

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  15. If maintenance of the gravel road by the county is a problem for her then she should practice what she preaches and organize her neighbors, pull out her checkbook and everyone can pool their money together and pave the road. After all if the need is great enough… Then again her neighbors may drive vehicles that can deal with a little snow and they may like the savings of having a gravel road, in which case their needs and wants will overrule hers.

    Of course it would probably help if the neighbors saw them make some sort of effort, like say, cleaning up their tree that falls and blocks the common road in front of their property instead of standing around watching their elderly neighbor clean up their mess.

    In their dream voluntary society it is no one else’s job to carry your load. That is your responsibility, and no that responsibility isn’t satisfied by asking for or receiving constant “voluntary” handouts or simply not fulfilling the responsibility at all. In my humble opinion Joe and Nicole fall short on personal responsibility in every aspect of their lives.

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  16. I just don’t understand how a “Voluntaryist” society would work. How would we get roads? Would people just volunteer to pay for them? Crowd funding? If you paid 1$ and I paid 100$ would we get to use the road the same amount? And what about those who didn’t pay? Do they still get to drive on them or would they just drive in the ditch? Ho would you enforce this? Who would enforce this?

    And $200 in property taxes?! She can kiss my ass, I pay $3500.

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  17. Living continuously in Breckinridge County since 1976 and being a frequent visitor prior to that I can assure you that roads are plowed and maintained as they are in other areas of the state on a priority basis. Priority is always given to most traveled, most needed for emergency services and transport of goods. County roads that serve one or two homes,most of which were deeded to the county by a developer who did not want to maintain them, are not a priority. If you want to live away from the roads first plowed purchase at least one appropriate vehicle for emergency transport.

    A quick search of the PVA office finds their property is not in their name and the tax amount of $200 is inflated by almost 120%.

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  18. Maybe start a GFM for some fucking snow shovels and some salt.
    I tossed some old potatoes in the side yard and there growing. Guess that makes me a homesteader.
    What could those kids possibly do all day, slamp some bamboo together and call it a fence or wall. Climb a tree and grab a rock hard pear? Kids play baseball. go find a game. Dont sit around piling some cinder blocks together and call it some kind of rocket stove, (what the fuck that is). Go find some kids your age. Go fishing, For fucks sake.

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  19. 200 a year?? I don’t even live on a 1/4 and I pay close to 12k a year!!! I don’t have snow, but I have hills, and curves. Lots of them. When it rains it pours and wrecks our roads. This last year was horrible! Our Govenor doesn’t think intrastructure is a high priority what with him wanting to build a high speed train to nowhere. What we do is fill in the pot holes with gravel until the county gets to them on our street. But seriously she’s bitchin cause she pays 200, they live on a road that is a dead end? Why the hell cant they just salt the road themselves?? Isn’t that part of being off grid?? She is twisting my brain with her self reliant lifestyle.

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  20. Charitable giving has spoken & deemed their “need” unworthy. They say it’s due to fear of The Trolls but that’s nonsense. You can donate anonymously. GoFraudMe may not appreciate their telling people to use PayPal; PayPal may not like people saying they’re family when they aren’t.

    Those two are rife with deceit.

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  21. The farmer up the road from us also plows our road. He doesn’t do all of it. Just from his house, to the farm behind our house. When we had those two big snow storms here in Breckinridge County, he also plowed out part of our driveway so we could get my husband’s truck out of the garage and driveway.

    She needs to be thankful they only pay $200 a year for property taxes. We pay a little over $1000 for our 5 acres. And it’s only that low because my husband is a disabled veteran.

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  22. How the hell do you wear out tires (multiple according to her) on snow? How?

    Odds are they bought retreaded tires. I did that once, in a pinch, never again.

    On the subject of states and schools, there is this gem from the BLH page.

    You actually use algebra quite often, we just don’t say “I’m doing algebra” you are just figuring every day problems.
    For example if you need to get $20 in gas and gas is $2 a gallon how many gallons can you get? That’s easy algebra 🙂 no need to complicate it in a worksheet lol

    That’s division Nicole. Send your children to public school. They clearly aren’t going to be learning proper grammar, science, or math from either one of you.

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  23. A few years back, we had snowmaggadon, so living in AR, of course, the town closed down. My husband, woke me up from a sound sleep to tell me that he couldn’t pee, and I said drink some water and he said, no, something is wrong and I have a really bad headache and fever and my back hurts. I had my two grandchildren and one was a baby and the other a toddler. I opened the damn garage door and realized that I wasn’t going to get out of our drive because of the fucking snow. Hell, it was almost as tall as me. The only shovel I owned was the fireplace shovel (now I own a several snow shovels cause ain’t gonna be caught with my pants down again). I started trying to shovel the damn driveway with my damn fireplace shovel and one of the snow plow guys drove by. He was in his own truck and was on his way home from plowing the damn roads all night long. I guess I was a pitiful sight because he stopped, and he grabbed a huge shovel out of his truck, and he helped me shovel all the snow out of my drive way, and he wouldn’t take any money for it and he carried my grands to the car and helped me buckle them in and he helped me get my old fart in the car. He didn’t stop there either; he followed us to the hospital and apparently he called ahead cause there were nurses waiting to help me get kids and old fart in the ER. I got his name. Well, in the ER, we found out that my husband had a severe bladder infection, and I was relieved until a urologist showed up and introduced himself and said the CT scan they did showed some things that were out of the ordinary so he did some more test and found my old fart had an enlarged prostate related to a benign cancer that, if left unchecked, would continue to grow and would probably end up killing him someway. We all stayed in the hospital that night and the next day, guess who brought me some coffee…that’s right. Jim, the snow plow guy. He has officially become my second son. His kids call me nana, and they come to my house for holidays and weekends and any other time they want a dose of Nana and Grumpdad.

    I lost my way on this one. I wanted to tell everyone how the roads were so nicely plowed and salted so that my trip to the ER was safe. I didn’t expect it because hell it had snowed all week and this is AR and we just don’t have bad weather like that so we are often not prepared as evidenced by the lack of snow shovel. The city plowed the main roads and a few side roads but we didn’t expect them to clear every alley and side street.

    I sure didn’t expect a stranger to help me. I suppose for most of us, random acts of kindness are the rule and not the exception. I can say that humans rarely let me down, but, then again, I don’t expect my neighbors to ax down my trees or a stranger to shovel my drive. I don’t steal water from folks or contaminate their land nor do I threaten my neighbors. I suppose for NicNaug, she expects to be given to over and over without extending herself to others. I believe in karma and have seen it first hand. I believe karma bites NicNaug and Fatass in the butt often and they are as shocked each time as they were the first time. I doubt they make any kind of connection between the bad karma and their behaviors. My grandmother would say bless their hearts they are about as useless as teats on a boar hog and she would add and lazy sons of bitches. I don’t understand people like the Naugs who are only out for number 1. It seems to me that the way they act toward their neighbors and community hasn’t worked for them in the past and maybe they should try a new approach.

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  24. As a Libertarian, these people annoy me with their sense of entitlement. It doesn’t work both ways. They want to be “Free People”, off the grid, homesteaders, non-conformists and un-schoolers but they refuse to do any of the work to accomplish any of that and viciously bully anyone who offers constructive criticism. They might be able to get some help to accomplish their supposed goals if they didn’t make such a nuisance of themselves to everybody around them. They refuse to build an actual house, set up a water catchment system or fix their well and the septic. Flinging shit all over isn’t composting, it’s contaminating the water table that feeds people’s wells. They buy and lose animals because they won’t bother to pen them and they won’t get a functional garden going. They are their own worst enemy. On top of that, they are demanding snow removal service when they pay next to nothing in property taxes? People don’t work for free. When you choose to live out in the sticks, you are on your own. They can buy a set of snow tires or an old truck with a snowplow and do it themselves. Maybe if they didn’t antagonize their neighbors so much, their neighbors would help clear the road.

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  25. Naugler-think is hilarious when it’s not eye-crossing. The state is evil. If you receive services from state agencies you become the state’s whore. Hang on here, if I pay the state for services via taxes and fees, isn’t the state my whore? Usually you pay whores for services, rather than the whores paying customers for services….okay that was weird. “State! Why haven’t you plowed my tertiary one lane gravel road?!?” But I won’t sign up for Medicaid to pay for my medical bills. That’s voluntary and I won’t do anything voluntary that involves the state!!! I am pure!! Hang on here a second, brain fried Nauglers, you want services from the state such as road plowing and you want to use the court system to do frilovolous IPOs. Isn’t that, by the strangely reversed from reality of prostitution transactions, the Naugler definition of state-whoredom, making you a whore of the state? You know, beholden to it, you have to abide by its laws, live with its decisions, god forbid? Oh I get it, you get to decide when receiving services from the state makes you a whore of the state and when it doesn’t. And it can change whenever you feel like some state services would be nice. Principled, my well-fared boom boom.

    Nicole likes the term whore of the state because it is inflammatory and self-righteous in a bizarre way. Kind of like saying I am a much better person than you because I do all of these horribly irresponsible things and you don’t. Naugler-think. Brain fried.

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  26. You pay almost nothing and you get almost nothing.

    I know next to nothing about Kentucky, except what I’ve gleaned over the years of following the Naugler saga. It seems to me that Kentucky seems to have less resources than other states, and I am presuming that’s because they have less income in the form of taxes. So if you decide you want to live on a back road in Kentucky, and only pay $200 per year in property taxes (can that be correct? I owned a mobilehome and paid over $1,000 per year in property taxes on the home – not the land it sat on), you shouldn’t expect much from your county or state government, because they apparently have very little in the way of tax base to work with!

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  27. WELL if I’m supposed to believe Nicky coughcough then that is a PRIVET ROAD and all you freaking TROLLS ARE NOT ALLOWED ON IT. SOOOOoooo being that it is a privet road I’m NOT going to pay the county with my tax dollars to CLEAR IT OFF when she can’t get to work. You live in the WILDERNESS you remember you freaking IDIOT? WHICH IS IT? Public road or freaking PRIVET road make up your MIND! Now SuckitUp buttercup and get LardAss off his LardAss and do some kind of WORK. Like SHOVEL the road. ANY kind of work would be NICE! All we get from LardAss is how good he can run his mouth talking about shit he has NO CLUE of what he is talking about.

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  28. I read a memoir recently written by a Korean-American man who was held in the DPRK for a number of years. ‘Not Forgotten’ by Kenneth Bae. He mentioned how they were transporting him after a snowstorm once, and literally every man, woman, and able-bodied child were out shoveling the highway. The North Korean guard was proud of that because they did not need to rely on the government or something or other.

    But I can’t exactly imagine these ‘sovereign-citizen’ types shoveling snow for hours on end, especially for other people…that’s just the vibe I’ve gotten regarding the work ethic of many of these people. They want everything in exchange for nothing.

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  29. Communism, sorry I mean voluntaryism, doesn’t work.

    #unschoolhistory #unschoolsocialscience

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  30. Lisa: In their dream voluntary society…

    In their dream voluntary society everyone would fall over themselves volunteering to do everything for the Nauglers.

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  31. Interested Bystander: Communism, sorry I mean voluntaryism, doesn’t work.

    “Voluntaryism” is not communism. It is libertarian anarchism.

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  32. I need to move to Kentucky. Nicole pays $200 a year in taxes. I take everything she says with a grain of salt. Sally, if you pay $800 a year in taxes, Kentucky here I come! I pay $3,000 in New York State in the inner city in a small, modest home.

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  33. Oooh. An algebra lesson for the unschoolers.

    X = actual property tax

    Y = $200 claimed property tax

    Z = 120% rate of overclaim/inflated price of property tax

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  34. We’re assessed for 13 acres as you can see. This property has never been surveyed that I know of. We didn’t bother when we bought it. The guy who cuts our hay knows acreage and how to estimate it and he says it’s much close to 20. Some of the acreage is hollow, which is unusable for anything, but we have about 10 acres in pasture.

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  35. Building on my earlier (re)post under “Screwed,” neighbors may be the biggest local resource that the Nauglers have squandered. If they’d stayed on good terms with the neighbors, they would have far more than help keeping the road clear. Imagine if Joe were really unable to work away from the homeplace, but offered people firewood or pine wreaths for Christmas or extra tomatoes or whatever else he could produce by actually doing work on the homeplace. Imagine if he’d never stolen from, creeped on, or threatened anybody local or let animals run around eating and crapping on other people’s land. Imagine him as the patriarch of an actual, albeit hardscrabble, homestead instead of a stinky mudhole. Besides the list I posted earlier, here’s what his family could have:

    * Venison. Because they could shoot deer and trade some of the meat for freezer space.
    * Pork. Raise a pig, get help slaughtering it, trade meat (again) for freezer space.
    * A proper bathhouse–something I couldn’t figure out how to build from junk with minimal skills.
    * Outside jobs for the kids too young to go more than a short bike ride from home. (Watering houseplants while somebody is traveling, etc.)
    * Help with fixing up their dead car(s).
    * A pool of accumulated wisdom regarding local gardening conditions, the cheapest place to find anything, etc.

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  36. Our lot wirh our house on it is 4920 sq ft. It’s a small city lot. Our taxes are about $4,000 a year. It’s based on our property value and we bought a inexpensive fixed upper. Property values have gone up considerably and we are due for reassessment. I am sure our taxes will go up considerably. We live on a highly traveled street and we get a fair amount of snow. The street is usually plowed. But the driveways need to be shoveled and the sidewalks need to be done. The neighborhood generally pitches in and gets them all done. We have snow blowers and shovels and when a big storm comes the neighborhood gets out and gets everyone dug out. The people that go to work first get dug out first and then we work our way down. I drive a big SUV so I haven’t had to be dug out yet. We do what neighbors do.

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  37. *Ahem* I am Alaskan born and raised and grew up in downtown Palmer, a quaint hamlet 42 miles from Anchorage. I reside there still but outside the city and have this to add: even though we were a block from the main thoroughfare growing up, our street wasn’t plowed until the highways and the ‘rich’ neighborhoods were. Even when they are plowed, it was pretty sloppy. Guess what?! We never called the city or state to complain! Shocking I know. We paid THOUSANDS in property taxes but understood the city had bigger fish to fry. Boohoo NicNaug, boofuckinghoo.

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  38. She is bitching about paying $200 in prop taxes and the roads not being maintained as she wishes? Didn’t Joe recently say that $10,000 in donations was a measly amount of money? I am simply failing to see how 2% of a “measly” sum is anything to get riled up about.

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  39. I pay about 8 grand for a wooded acre on a paved road. The roads are very well taken care of, year round. Our road is a small circle, no through route to anywhere.. Still it is plowed often and early. The schools are excellent. Our town has a rec center for kids, seniors and everybody in between. Two block parties a year, a Memorial Day parade, two fire houses, I’m sure I’m missing stuff.
    My point is the money is well worth it. I know NY is expensive, but you get what you pay for. Not too many religious zealots, in my opinion b/c the schools are good. Lack of education and fundamentalism go hand in hand.

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  40. “A quick search of the PVA office finds their property is not in their name and the tax amount of $200 is inflated by almost 120%.”
    So they don’t actually pay for their taxes? We did contract for deed on a home when we were younger (we got a mortgage a year later) and the technical owner paid the taxes, we didn’t. Until the deed is paid off the home wouldn’t be in our name, therefore we didn’t pay the taxes.

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  41. “We do what neighbors do.”

    Yes, yes, yes! I can’t imagine life without my neighbors, in any place I’ve lived.

    We help each other with shoveling, child care, rides for various reasons, offers to combine errands, advice, elbow grease, well I don’t have to tell you guys. It goes on and on. I am 62 and live alone with a huge garden and pool. I never even have to ask if something comes up, one of the young guys comes by and takes care of anything I need. In return, their kids learn to swim in my pool, and mom and dad have a nearby babysitter on call, even if just to get out and grab a drink by themselves! Such negative energy, so sad for a family to be so toxic.

    Worst of all would be the enmity, I would hate to have bad feelings among the people always nearby.

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  42. Nothing is ever good for Nicole as she is always looking for ways to complain. She is and always will be unhappy about life. She seeks out unhappiness.

    Be it neighborhood cooperative work or ingenuity, everyone else seems to understand how to manage snow and ice independently and with little to no complaints to the statist government. Big difference being, everyone else is not looking outward for someone else to step in with manpower or money and solve Nicole’s common life skills problems.
    Nicole’s constant bitching about nearly everything is teaching her children an attitude of helplessness on a daily basis despite her claims of self reliance.

    Congratulations Nicole, your kids are learning, by your example, to be as unhappy and dependent as you are.
    You have many hands there on the stead, capable of holding onto a shovel. If you Nicole, would simply stop constantly complaining, get to work and set a better example, you would feel better and have less need to complain.
    If you choose to keep HH as your pet, that’s your choice, but don’t look at the rest of the world then to pick up his load. But it is YOUR choice and all on you Nicole, don’t foist his load onto your kids. You are bullshitting only yourself with the “WE voted” fantasy logic.

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  43. So they don’t actually pay for their taxes?

    Depends on the terms of the contract.

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  44. We live in the city, and pay around $3,400. Do I gripe about it when we receive the annual reassessment notice? Sure. But when I walk into the newly remodeled library across the street, hear the snowplow clearing the street in the middle of the night, or drive by the beautiful elementary school in the neighborhood, it’s worth every penny.

    Totally off topic, so I will apologize in advance. There is a recent post on the BLH page about unschooling and a movie. Someone, I am guessing Nicole, blithely responds to a question about college and ACT and SAT scores with this “Those that choose that path will just do what everyone else who takes those tests do… study and prepare for it”. WTH? How on earth are they supposed to do so if they have never taken a test, developed study habits, taken a class, or done homework? If, as she says in the original post, lessons aren’t scheduled or structured, and there are no tests, how is that person going to adapt to scheduled classes, a program of study, and course requirements? I. Just. Can’t. Even.

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  45. How on earth are they supposed to do so if they have never taken a test, developed study habits, taken a class, or done homework?

    Nicole never did anything past graduating from high school. She has no idea what is required in college level work. She has no idea how it differs. Joe took some shit at the Uni of Phoenix, but that’s basically a diploma mill.

    Neither of them have a clue and what is just heartbreaking is that they don’t care. They simply do not care.

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  46. Yep, they just dont fucking care . Not one fucking bit, but look at us, were at the beach with our feral bunch arent we cute,

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  47. Our property tax is around $3,000 or so (split up into two payments); much less than our former house in an urban area. The bill is sent to our mortgage company, and is calculated into our escrow so we don’t pay huge lump sums. Our property gained a ton of value after we bought it, so our assessment went up by like $500 a year. Our mortgage company paid the difference, then allowed us to either pay them that difference or have it split up over the year. Since I had already been adding to our escrow account (from a couple months after we purchased the place on) because I suspected our taxes would increase, the hit was minimal. If I was wrong about the increase the overage would either have been applied to the principal or sent back to us at the next escrow analysis.

    Budgeting isn’t looking at the week or month. It’s looking at the week, month, year, and further. The Ns don’t seem to understand the longer term aspect. Property taxes don’t come out of the blue.

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  48. @ BLB, when I wrote that, I wondered if Nicole had even taken the SAT, as I was pretty sure she went no further than high school. As to Joe’s “education”, he should be asking for a refund. The fact that they are not equipping their children with the tools they need to go out into the world and thrive, and they don’t care, is heartbreaking indeed.

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  49. If they blame the “Throlls” for the lack of donations I am curious how their voluntaryist society would handle people being shunned and/or social pressure preventing people from voluntarily offering up their labour for a particular member. Do those who are shunned get pushed out to fend for themselves or die off? A survival of the fittest sort of dealio perhaps? Hmmmm.

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  50. I wandered over to FJ last night and saw that Viv gave her side of the story of her dealings with the N;s, Most I had heard before but some was a first as in NN befriending her MIL? or Mother, BUT I saw that some of the bittys at Jinger seemed to still call her to task, what a bunch of old bitches they are.
    There look at me and how good I am and can pass judgement on Viv or anyone who seems out of line. For F;s Sake, Viv lived it, they sure the F didnt. I am shocked that EM kept his cool through all of this

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  51. She thinks it’s “a shame” that engineers, physicians, physicists, dentists, etc. Have to meet pre-requisites and examinations to earn their degrees & licensing. Well, if YouTube is the answer to all education then Joe should be a better dentist & physician. Why didn’t he just google that shit & take care of that DIC himself? Anyone else want to trust their family to a bridge engineered by one of the kids at this time?

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