Not Eggsactly

October chicks

Baby chicks.  Isn’t that sweet? One hundred ten people hit “like” on that one, which, of course, is what Nicole is after. If they hit “like,” that’s an interaction with the page and then Facebook runs more of Nicole’s crap through that person’s wall.  The ultimate goals are attention and donations, not necessarily in that order.

But they are cute. They appear to be about a week or so old. They are already starting to feather out a little.

And that’s the problem.

There is something wrong here.

To see what I mean, let’s rewind.

2014 killing

This is from June of 2014. I include it just to show that having chickens disappear, get killed, gone, whatever is not a new occurrence at the Blessed Little Property.  It’s actually the status quo.

On June 22 that year, Nicole took one of the kids to “pick up his baby chicks” and four days later, they were dead.

And it was the third time they’d lost all the chickens.  It would not, of course, be the last.  If you’re a baby chick  and you get purchased by the Nauglers or hatch out at the Blessed Little Killing Ground, your days are probably not going to be many.

laying hens

Yeah, let’s talk about chickens and eggs. To get eggs, first you have to successfully raise the damn chicks, something that has been a real challenge, it seems.

The first week in April (2016) they were “getting our first set of laying hens.”  She says that they only had one hen then (sometime prior to the “first week in April”) due to a dog with a taste for chicken.  This is two entire years after the third batch of chicks were all killed – by a dog.

You’d think they’d learn.

It will be nice to have fresh eggs again.

Yeah, it would, wouldn’t it?  If any of them lived long enough to lay an egg.

april 29

April 29.  One “peep.” It appears to be several weeks old.

May 21

By May 21 we’re hearing about the chicken coop that one of the kids is building, and told that the chicks will be big enough to go out there by the time it is finished. When Nicole says “we,” she actually means somebody else, not her.  She does not lift a hammer.  Joe does not lift a hammer. Kids lift hammers.

Anyway, the point here is that the laying hens they were going get in April either didn’t get got or got eaten. I’m not sure which. They were replaced quickly by a bunch of purchased day-old chicks, probably hatched out in early May.

These chicks were brooded in the garden shed. Nicole posted pictures and video of them. I almost gagged when I saw it.

chicks incubator

We have an incubator and from time to time, hatch out chicks as replacements for their parents, which seems sort of mean, but that’s the cold hard facts of life for chickens.  Anyway, the very first time we did this, we brooded them in a stock tank in our living room.  It seemed like the safest place.  We spread the bottom of the rubber tank with shavings and put the chicks in there with plenty of water and food.  It was lovely and cute and sweet.

And then they started to grow and they started to stink.

I can’t describe how they stank.

We couldn’t put them in the garage because of the cats, who live in the garage at night. We were stuck.  I was so glad when those chicks finally got big enough to leave the house and go out to their little tractor. The smell was gone and all I had to do was entirely vacuum the whole house to get rid of the dust and dander.

Never again.  Dave built a wooden-framed wire cover for the tank and they are brooded in the garage with the cats who have learned to ignore them since they cannot reach them.

And then when they feathered out enough, they went out to the tractor.

chicks

So, I include all that to illustrate that we have incubated chicks, raised them from the egg and grown them up and then repeated the same steps a couple of years later to grow their replacements. We keep the girls and butcher the little roosters. And I plan the timeline to do this so that they hatch when the weather is mild and grow nicely and then go out to the tractor while the weather is still mild and are pretty much grown before winter sets in.

May 31

On May 31 Nicole tells us that they have 21 chicks, plus two bantams. And one hen.  One hen. I would assume that is the same lone hen we saw in the photo above dated April 29.

June 24

And on June 24, here’s a photo of one of the kids holding one of the chicks.  This is most likely one of the Buff Orpingtons. That’s what our chickens are/have been for the last several years.  That chick is fully feathered out, so the age would be about right.

clutch July

But then on July 28, we are treated to a photo of some day old (or two day old) babies. Aren’t they cute?

chick dirty hands

Day old chick, I’d say. Kid who needs a bath, I’d say.

Anyway, July 28.  None of those May chicks hatched out those eggs. They came entirely from the only hen the Nauglers have, the one pictured above.

one hen

July 28

She hatched out ten.  Two eggs remain. That’s not unusual. Hens do a better job than incubators, but still there are eggs that don’t make it. Either they were never fertilized, or the chick dies early, or something goes wrong. And every now and then one will simply be late.

Here’s the deal, and this is important to understand. The Nauglers have one hen. That hen does not lay an egg every day.  No hen does. White Leghorns (the kind who lay the eggs you buy in the grocery store) are the super-duper layers of the chicken world, bred specifically to do that – lay eggs. And a White Leghorn can lay a bit more than 300 eggs annually. That’s still not an egg every day.

The Naugler hen looks like a Rhode Island Red or some mixture.  She would lay maybe 250 eggs per year if she was really doing well. That’s a scrawny-looking hen, so my guess is that she doesn’t lay that many eggs. I would guess an egg every other day would be about what she does.

To get 12 eggs to set, she has to lay one and then two days later lay another one and then two days after that lay another one.  In between, she does not set them. The heat from her body triggers the little embryo in the egg to begin growing, and as long as the temperature stays cool, the chick will not start to develop.

So, at our house, when we want to collect eggs for the incubator, we put them in egg cartons and store them in the cool basement until I have enough. In our case, that’s generally a few days. I prop one end of the cartons on something and flip it every day, so that the eggs don’t stay in the same position for days. The hen does the same thing.  She moves them but doesn’t set them.

When she thinks she has enough eggs (12 is pretty much the max she can set on), she’ll start sitting on them and from that point forward, she does not leave those eggs except to eat, drink and go potty.  She also ceases laying eggs.

She stays there for 21 days, when they begin to hatch. This is the reason that sometimes an egg or two simply fails to develop. In the case of the Naugler hen, she probably collected eggs for the better part of two weeks, maybe even three, before commencing to set them.  I don’t like to incubate an egg over a week old. If there were multiple hens, they simply set on each others’ eggs, so a broody hen can collect a clutch in a few days.

After the chicks are hatched, the hen becomes the stereotypical “mother hen” and takes care of her babies. She does not lay eggs during this period, and if you think about it, you’ll understand why.  If she laid eggs, she would have to pay those eggs some attention, and once she had enough, she would have to set them. Who is gonna take care of the already hatched babies if she does that? (It’s the same reason that once the majority of her eggs have hatched, she will abandon the ones that didn’t.  She sacrifices the not-yet born chicks to care for the ones who are already hatched out and trotting about.)

From the time that a hen begins to store eggs for hatching  until she ceases caring for the hatched-out babies, she is called a “broody hen.” Broody hens do not lay eggs.  It’s a hormonal thing. The exact time period varies from hen to hen, but generally lasts anywhere from 8 to 12 weeks.

Now then, if dogs kill and eat all her babies, she might well cease the broodiness and go back to laying, but still that would take a week or so.  Most hens, if allowed to set eggs and hatch them out, don’t do that again until the following spring.  (Actually most modern breeds of chickens don’t get broody in the first place. We bought Buffs on purpose because they do have a broody tendency.  Most people do not want their hens to go broody because they want eggs, not chicks, so broodiness has been bred out of them. )

July calendar

So, there we are. Our broody hen hatched out 10 chicks on July 28.

August calendar

She then spent the next five or so weeks being a mamma hen.  She was not laying any eggs during that period. I am being generous here. I am assuming that at the end of five weeks, she was done with her chicks and went immediately, like the next day, back to laying. This is all highly unlikely, but since it’s theoretically possible, we’ll give all the allowance we can.

September calendar

The pink days would then be two weeks for her to lay eggs and collect them to form a new clutch.  That’s also highly unlikely but theoretically possible, so that’s how we’ll assume it happened.

I count about nine chicks in the original photo. A minimum of nine days, but that’s nigh on impossible.

So let’s assume that she started setting those eggs on the 15th (blue).

October calendar

That would put the chicks hatching on October 6 (and they really do not vary much from exactly 21 days – you can almost set your watch by the timing).

So, you say, that photo was taken on October 5 – you’re off one day in your timeline.

There is a big problem, though.

Those are not day-old chicks.

Remember this?

chicks incubator

That’s a newly hatched chick.  Minutes old.

clutch July

These are day-old chicks.

The chicks in that photo above are probably a week old. They already appear to be feathering out.

The Naugler’s lone hen did not, simply did not, hatch out a clutch of eggs on July 28 and hatch out another by September 29.

I call bullshit.

I have no idea why she did this, or why she thinks it’s a good idea to lie about stuff like this.  Maybe she thinks this looks all homesteady.  Maybe they bought the chicks someplace. Maybe the hen did not actually set them and hatch them out, but she certainly implies that she did.

And while I’m on the subject of “What the Fuck?” there is this.

firewood

Here’s some firewood.  Great.

ricks

What?

Okay, a “rick” is a weird term. It’s imprecise and a word we’d never heard until we moved to Kentucky.  We’ve heated with wood (solely except in Alaska) for many years, in South Carolina and North Carolina and partially in Alaska, and never heard that word.

Firewood is measured in cords. A cord is 4′ X 4′ X 8′.  A “rick” is described sometimes as  a “face cord.”  It’s usually 4′ X whatever length you cut the wood X 8′.  In other words, it’s one row of a cord.  A cord would be whatever number of rows you need to get a four-foot depth.  If you cut 12″ logs, then you’d need four rows, each four feet high and eight feet long, to make a cord.  So a “rick” would be 1/4 cord.

If you cut the wood 16″, you’d only have three rows, so a “rick” would be 1/3 cord.

As I said, it’s imprecise.

Those logs look longer than 12″, so I am going to assume that Nicole’s “rick” is 1/3 cord.

If that is the case, then they burned through 10 cords of firewood last winter.

I’m going to repeat that. She is stating that they burned 10 cords of firewood last winter.

You guys, we live in a 1500 square foot house.  That’s about five times bigger than the Blessed Little Garden Shed.  And there are only two people in this house, so there is not a huge amount of body heat involved. Furthermore, we heat water with wood.  In winter, I cook with wood.

In short, we burn through some wood. Seriously.  We don’t go off this property to work, so we are here most of the time, day and night. During the cold weather, our fire never goes out. We like to be comfortable, so we keep the house pretty warm in the winter.

And we don’t use anywhere close to 10 cords of firewood.

my firewood

Here’s some of it. We get most of our firewood from a local business that makes pallets, so ours comes all square like that. We buy it in huge dump truck loads, and one of those will pretty much take us through a winter.

Anyway, I got curious, so I measured what we have.

We have approximately 6 cords of firewood. Six.  And that will last us at least two years, perhaps three.

Maybe Nicole just doesn’t have a clue how big a cord is.  Maybe she has no idea how much firewood they actually burn.  Maybe she just spits out stuff without thinking about what she’s saying.

ending

And we finish out with this. It’s intended to be a poke at me, because I compared her to my cow.

I think I’ve sort of shown that the hen, that one hen, has not exactly had her offspring “grow up to be productive members of their chicken society.”  Most of them didn’t grow up  but became either playthings for dogs or food for other predators.  In addition, apart from those few weeks after hatch, hens don’t “raise” chicks at all.

The Nauglers go through baby chicks like popcorn (according to my count, they have had 30 of them on the property just this year alone), and have ended up with one hen and maybe twelve roosters.

But that’s okay, Nicole. Aldi had eggs this week for $0.39 per dozen.  Live it up.

UPDATE:

Well, Nicole, who has trouble with comprehending stuff, took a video of the hen with her babies and said, “See? There they are.”

But then, she had to admit to what I was getting at in this entire post.

You see, broodiness in a hen (which means no eggs are laid) is something like the suppression of ovulation that occurs in a nursing mother.  It’s not precisely the same thing, but it’s similar.

While nursing is not a fool-proof birth control method, as many women have discovered the hard way, it does space babies a bit more than if the mother does not nurse the baby.

Same deal with a hen. If she hatches out babies, she’s broody by definition, and not laying eggs. She will continue to not lay any eggs as long as she has babies to take care of. The act of mothering those chicks releases hormones that suppress egg production.

Take away the babies, and you take away the broodiness. Instead of a normal 4-5 week post-hatching broody period, you have a one-week recovery (maybe two) and she’s back to laying.

Nicole admits that the other clutch of chicks met with the usual Naugler livestock tragedy and were eaten. She, of course, blames the neighbors for this, since it’s always everyone else’s fault for their failures and never their own, but they were eaten nonetheless.

So Mama Hen had no babies to raise. So Mama Hen went back to laying.

Now the scenario is realistic. And we’re back to “the overwhelming majority of baby chicks that arrive on that property are food for wildlife, or more likely, the Naugler dogs.”

Of course, I saw the video and those chicks and mom are running loose as usual and therefore they are not long for this world.

If you can’t even raise chickens successfully, you’re really not good at this. Chickens are far and away the easiest “livestock” to raise.

 

 

 

 

 

 

43 thoughts on “Not Eggsactly”

  1. Sally– learned a lot from this blog entry. Thank you.
    Even a city girl like me knows that one hen and a dozen roosters is insanity. Someone in my suburban neighborhood has 3 hens and one rooster. The girls produce enough eggs for the couple, but not an abundance. Since math is hard for some……how many hens would it require to produce an egg a day for 12 people on a homestead (excluding a baby)?

  2. A lot. Nicole said they use 100 eggs per week (something I simply have trouble believing – I think they would use that many if they had them, but she mentions oatmeal so often I suspect they don’t have eggs daily). Anyway, 100 per week, which is 5200 annually.

    Divide that by 250 (the number of eggs you might get from one good hen) and that works out to twenty-one hens.

    Only it won’t really work out like that. That 250 figure is really only for the first year of the hen’s life (once she starts laying). During her second year, she will produce fewer eggs, and fewer still the third year. Furthermore, she may go broody and produce nothing for weeks. And she will inevitably moult (lose feathers and regrow them) and she’ll stop laying then as well – and that takes several weeks.

    So, to insure that 100 eggs per week, you’d probably need twice that many hens. Maybe more. And those hens would have to be replaced frequently.

    That’s the part of keeping chickens lots of city people simply don’t understand. You can’t just get five hens and everything is peachy for the next five years. There is a constant turnover. You have to either have a way to dispose of old hens or you have resign yourself that you are going to be running a chicken old folks’ home. The eggs get fewer and they get larger and larger.

    Our girls (we have five at the moment) are pushing three years old, and as usual, we have kept them too long. It’s too late to deal with any chicks this year, so it will be spring before we can do that, and then it will be November before they begin to lay eggs. Right now, from five hens, for two people, we do not get an adequate number of eggs and I am supplementing with grocery store eggs. That’s how I know Aldi has them for 39 cents, because I bought two dozen.

    We eat our eggs for breakfast and I cook with the others.

  3. I think she is doing her math unschool style…
    I have. 4 are 5 years old. They were laying 4-5 times a week. I have one leghorn that’s 3. She lays 6-7 eggs a week. I have Rhode Island reds. They are over a year old. They too lay 5-6 days a week. Over the summer, I would sometimes get 10 eggs a day. I gave them to co workers and neighbors. I have 5 teenaged boys, but even then we still had more eggs than we needed. Since the days are getting shorter, the laying has slowed down. I also had one hen die (in her sleep). I have 9. Today I got 6 eggs, yesterday it was 4. My older hens I keep for pest control. They are amazing at catching the grasshoppers and crickets. If I get eggs, bonus. Last summer they didn’t lay as much as this summer.i blamed it on our cross country move.

  4. I do HR work in a chicken processing plant and my office is right next to where the chickens get dropped off before going to the kill room… I’m with u on the smell. It’s horrific.

  5. Really enjoyed reading this post, Sally. The locals and your readers get the last laugh as her arrogance and lies prove to be her undoing…again. It is baffling why honesty is so difficult for this woman. It seems she’s gotten away with BS and lies for so long she doesn’t know anything else. This might be her first real opportunity to learn this lesson from you and “others” and she’s not a very willing student.

    As far as the wood, she hasn’t a clue. Probably just thought she’d throw that figure out and a little local lingo and see if it stuck. I doubt they ever had it stacked or counted last year. Same with the BS about burning pine. Acting smarter than the folks who know and have lived it always makes her the fool. Folks usually just stand back and watch these types self destruct. Just gotta hope the kids don’t pay with their lives for her foolishness. Nicole, for the life of your kids, only allow the pine to be burned in your outside kitchen. Don’t set your shack on fire when you or what’s his name are “unavailable”. It’s on you.

    Sally, you have once again given her everything she really needs through your generosity, wisdom and teachings. Respect.

    Nicole, in case you do read here after all, Aldi’s at $.39/doz! That’s under four bucks/week. Bingo! Less than a meal at Burger King. Make some very secure cold storage under the shack, (how ’bout an old fridge, critter and kid safety proofed) and load up. Keep the dogs and don’t worry about the chicken nuggets. Accept your life’s limitations at this time and move on. Why all the constant BS and stress? Get real and get going, it’s getting cold out there.

    (We just got an Aldi’s here, now I’m definitely going. Thanks Sally.)

  6. She said they eat eggs 2 days out of a week. 12 people (not counting the baby as he would have been too little to eat eggs when that was posted) using 100 eggs a week = 8.33333 eggs a week per person. That is over 4 eggs per person 1 day a week. No way in hell little ones are eating 4 eggs for breakfast. Jojo must be eating 8 eggs a meal. Her maybe 3 at a meal and the same for the older boys, the girls and younger boys 2 a meal and the little ones 1 egg at a meal that is only 30 eggs a day. She is full of chicken shit.

    Growing up on a real working dairy farm where one gets up at 5 am to be in the barn by 5:30 am and start milking by 6 am then eating breakfast after milking and before going back to the barn to clean the barn we did not eat that many eggs. But we did not have just eggs for breakfast there was always bacon or sausage, maybe fried potatoes and toast. My uncle would eat 4 eggs and us older kids maybe 3 but most times only 2 and the real little kids (who did not go to the barn) 1 egg. Even if it were a day that we only had eggs the number we got was the same we just ate a slice or two of toast more.

    Making french toast does not use many eggs so no way they are even using 20 eggs for that. She don’t cook much that uses eggs if you look at her 30 day meal plans. Baking well one would have to do a lot of baking to use up 40 eggs to make up for the figure of 100 eggs a week. Maybe angel food cake? But how does one bake that on a rocket stove?

    The dogs if trained right and more importantly fed properly instead of leaving them to free range for food would NOT be killing the homestead animals. One is a livestock guardian dog and that breed of dog it is bred into them not to attack the livestock instead predators. But they do have to be trained to keep that instinct and fed to make sure they are not going to forage for food. The problem is they have too many dogs and those dogs are not getting fed enough good quality kibble.

    Also who in their right mind that is trying to make a real go at raising animals to provide them food keeps 12 damn roosters? Only need one or two if you have a bunch of hens to get the job done. The rest are just ornaments on the homestead that are wasting money being fed. Just one of those roosters killed and stewed up would make a whole meal of chicken and biscuits or dumplings for that whole family or even a good chicken pot pie. They have 10 or 11 meals of roosters running around there just eating food for no reason.

    They need to listen to people who know what they are really doing and are successful at raising their own food. Time to kill 10 or 11 roosters for dinner. Time to get rid of all the dogs but the livestock guardian dog and lots of money will be available to use on what is really needed. Pets are good things for kids if one can afford to feed them properly. She has been babbling about a horse for the oldest girl that is so stupid. Horses unless used on a homestead to work the land are totally a waste of money. Horses require a lot of clean water and hay. Yes one can get away with feeding minimal grain but you can not skimp on the hay. Then the upkeep of a horse that is for a pet is out of their reach financially. Horses need regular worming and foot trimming and vetting. Damn horse no matter how careful you keep them always seem to need vetting.

    The more she post and babbles on the more she proves they are not homesteading as they have no clue what a real homestead really is. Real homestead owners have animals that are going to provide food for them and those animals get taken care of. On a homestead if a animal is not providing something worthy to the homestead then they provide the family with food or are sold for money to buy food for the animals that are providing to the homestead. They have nothing more than a bunch of money eating pets that are given piss poor care.

    Nicole time to wake the hell up and woman up and admit you are not homesteading and have no clue what you are doing. Your lies are being seen more and more.

  7. At one point we had 40 to 50 hens, we were getting about a dozen eggs a day, some days more-some less. That was with Marans, Barred Rocks and Wyandotte. It was their first year laying.
    We’re down to, I think 12 hens, and we’re only getting 4 to 5 eggs a day now and now that the weather is turning cold, that number is going down.
    My duck still gives me an egg a day.
    My birds are one to two years old, we have only Marans now.

  8. I really want their eldest daughter to go work at someone’s barn in exchange for horsemanship (mucking, feeding, grooming, learning how to “read” them) and riding lessons. I want her to make friends with kids her own age and enjoy sleepovers. I want her to go to schooling shows, go on trail rides, ride bareback and always wear her ASTM/SEI approved helmet while on a horse! I don’t want her to bring a horse or pony to the Little Homestead of Horrors because her parents clearly have no clue.

    I know people who log with horses and they do a really nice job of it. The N family has no use for a trained logging horse and they don’t have enough work to make a well-trained logging horse worth their effort or the animal’s eventual suffering.

    The average 1000 pound horse must eat approximately 10 to 20 pounds of hay every day and it’s better to plan for them to eat 2% of their body weight in good quality hay daily. Don’t skimp on the water either. If they don’t have sufficient water and it’s too cold for them to want to drink it, you’re setting them up for colic and yourself for a really awful night, plus a vet bill. Even horses that receive top-notch care can colic and not make it. Which is true of people and everything else in the world that lives and dies, of course.

  9. Everyone’s talking about eggs and chickens and why not? It was interesting. But I noticed her comment in the firewood picture. She was out “walking the property” and “was drawn” to that nice neat stack of firewood. It just appeared there, perhaps from firewood pixies. I wondered if it was someone else’s firewood actually. Would her kids be able to do that? I suppose a couple of the older boys could. Still, it seemed so neat and organized for the Nauglers.

  10. My friends and my daughter have hens for laying and they also have some that are meat chickens…they all keep their hens in some kind of a chicken house that has a yard that is wired to keep them in and predators out (they even have wire on the top). The hens all have these nesting boxes that are cleaned regularly and where the hens deposit the eggs. Some of my friends keep a rooster in the hen house but some don’t. One friend said if you don’t have enough hens for all the roosters, the roosters will fight each other and will dog the poor hens to death. Here’s what I remember about my childhood: we had laying hens. My mother got her eggs at the coop or she got the chicks through the mail. The hens that she kept for eggs went into the hen house and the rest were somewhat free ranged during the day but at night, she put corn out for them and and they all found their way back to the barn where she closed them in at night. Those chickens (male and female) were the ones she put in the freezer when they were the right size. That one hen of N’s with those little babies not happening…she found a picture online and lies, lies, lies…Now the wood, I do know something about because we burned wood for years and will start again once we move into our little fixer upper….we never burned pine because my old fart was afraid it would deposit stuff in the chimney and catch the house on fire. And we burned to heat our house, which at the time was huge, and two truck loads of wood was all we burned. We stacked it under a little shed that the old fart built so it would stay dry…the wood came from dead or dying trees off our farm where our daughter now lives. It was cut and split and stacked up so pretty…I hated to burn it or it was a tree that was cut down and seasoned before being burned. I really don’t see J or N organizing the chopping, splitting, and stacking of wood. They cannot even organize the building of an outhouse….or a compost pile….or a “bath house”. Now, it may be that one of her many (2) fans have brought her wood but I doubt J did it….now she wants honey…raw honey….I wish I could tell her that my cousin who has been on his “raw land” as long as she has been on her land has three hives…he got them for his fruit trees and because his wife loves honey and they do a farmer’s market with the honey. Ever so often he harvests the honey and this year, he let me have the wax from them and my friend is making foot balm for my husband (he’s a diabetic) and burt’s bees wax is so freakin’ expensive and she makes lotions that are hypoallergenic for me and now she is making foot balm for him. See, N, that’s what happens when you have friends who have been in your life for years and years and relatives who love you and you love them back…Now, the lotion and balm isn’t all free; although, I’m sure my friend would not charge me…but from me she gets all the wax she can use because my cousin gives it to me….and, I also can her a year’s worth of green beans that she grows…she hates to can. It’s all about bartering something for something else and not going on line and asking for something for free. Anyway, back to the chicks….yeah, I call chicken shit on all of that too. The thing with N is that she wants to be all “little house in the big woods” but she forgets that in those stories, ma and pa and the girls actually worked hard and long hours and they used their noodle for something other than reading memes… I feel so sorry for her children…bless their hearts and I don’t mean that in the southern way of condescension.

  11. #poser
    #offgridfishtank
    #forpersonaluseonlyonapubliprofile
    #thankgodheswalkingandnotcrawling
    What the hell do you need an admin for Nicole?

  12. If at first you don’t succeed, learn nothing and fail again.

    Dead chicks, dead kids (goats), dead rabbits, dead dogs. Post after post of the same calamities. The solution. Go even bigger and get a horse to neglect to death too. That will play real well to the horse crowd in Kentucky. They might manage to extend their 15 minutes of infamy.

    Where’s Wiburina? We will never forget.

  13. Off topic, but what in the hell would they have to trade for a whole gallon of honey?
    Nicole likes to think she can barter but she has nothing to barter with. The Shitstead does not produce anything but children.

  14. I don’t understand. If money is tight, why throw it at something that’s failing, like livestock? I mean, it’s obviously not working so far so why keep doing it? Throw that money at food, clothing, supplies, get your shit in order (proper pens) THEN get livestock. I want chooks, some to eat, some for laying but I refuse to get them until I have a proper shelter. I don’t want coyotes getting them. They WILL NOT be bait. And I had a bunch of miserable, rapey fucking roosters, I’d call one Soup, one Roast, one Fried, etc. Especially if I was feeding that huge family. Is it possible they’re scared of the roosters and don’t know how to butcher? I just hope they don’t invest in horse flesh. They can’t afford it. And the lying! Why does she lie all the fucking time? Homesteaders fail all the time starting out. And it’s nothing to be ashamed of. I just don’t get it.

  15. What runs through my mind, over and again, for some time now, is the visual we’ve been given of their eggs having just been cooked, still sitting in their cast-iron pan. The same cast-iron pans that sat there rain in and rain out, rusting and corroding over time. When you do not care for cast-iron properly, it rusts. And although it can be saved and restored, even in very bad cases, it takes a lot of scrubbing with steel wool, vinegar, or other solutions – a whole hell of a lot of work that I refuse to believe the Nauglers have done, considering their work ethic, cleanliness, and hygiene habits on the ‘ol homestead.

    The pictures of their food-in-the-pan, in particular, the eggs – they look like they are corroded with residue from the cast-iron pans. It makes me shiver in disgust. How can they cook their food in that? That is not “seasoning”! I repeat, that is not seasoning! It is corroded cast-iron.

    Poor second-eldest boy, who does the cooking… Nicole posted once, that he had ran away after an argument, built his own tent/fort (and she included a picture), and that he had claimed he was going to live there instead. She then joked that he better be back, because he’s the one who cooks dinner. I empathize with him. I also hope that he spits in her food.

  16. Dear Ruviana,

    I agree. I thought there was something very “off” about the photo of the stacked wood. And I am not one of those Naugler-conspiracy-theorists that are always trying to pull apart relatively stupid stuff that the Nauglers do. We have all seen their previous wood stacks, if you want to call ’em that. Their wood is never so proportionately chopped and stacked so perfectly as it is in that photo. She was “drawn to” it because she wanted to post that picture in order to prove something. As is usually the case. I will wager that they bought that wood. It is a very, very far cry from previous stacks. In the previous stacks, you can tell they were put together by children of all ages. Chronic disorganization plagues the Nauglers.

  17. Thanks for a very interesting and educational read! It is totally cool how you can take her posts filled with ignorance and some little lies, and make them enlightening. Seems to me that if you can’t go all out in doing homesteading the right way, then go home! Don’t misguide and mislead with made up tales of homesteading.

    Hey I can understand starting out at beginners level and making some errors, things you want to correct and get better. But doing the same thing over and over, that’s bullshit. How many times has she posted stories of getting chicks, wanting chicken egg production, dogs and predators killing the chicks and chickens and blah blah blah. Over and over again, different year. Who is the fool? The one that reads it time and time again, believing in beginners bad luck?

    I honestly feel for the animals that end up at the BLH, for the travesties waiting to happen. Little or no veterinary care. Limited clean water sources. Limited nutritional kibble/feed. Lack of fencing and safe shelter away from predators. And with the chickens, 11/12 roos? Why that is abuse for the hens! It’s no wonder there isn’t cockfighting too. How many animals must die, from beginners bad luck ad nauseam?

    You are right #sendsnacks. Horse country Kentucky will not take too well to horse neglect.

  18. I think the pig is still alive. He can be heard in the video of her son’s chicken coop. Nicole probably doesn’t mention piggy because she enjoys people being wrong about her. She seems to like posting babies eating off dirty floors, sitting on rusty bikes, and dirty kids picking on each other. She doesn’t post the same things other moms share online. It’s like she is controlled by the urge to get people to attack her so others can jump to her defense.

  19. Too many eggs cause increased cholestoral.

    That’s not really true, but it doesn’t matter. They have one hen. They aren’t getting very many eggs.

  20. @prolapsed ovaries

    Iknowrite? It was a beautifully designed firewood stack that was so out of character for the Nauglers.

  21. Bea,

    That is an extremely interesting observation. So many of her photos and videos are far from cute or homey, and yet others are, so she is capable of capturing those moments. When people are following her pages rooting for the family why present the children in a bad light? What is her motivation? She has said for months that they do not need donations. So showing the children in positions of need is not necessary. Her followers react both in numbers and in comments when she posts happy and healthy versions of her children, much less so when she presents them in a bad light. The question becomes who is she aiming for as her audience on her public pages? Her followers or her critics?

  22. ” I think the pig is still alive he can be heard in the video of the sons chicken coop”
    That was Joe you heard.

  23. Here in Australia, we bought wood by the ton, or trailer load. We burned red gum, as it is an extremely hard wood which burns long, doesn’t leave a lot of ashes and throws out a lot of heat.
    One to two large pieces in over night, with the fire damped down, would be red coals in the morning, and easily fired up again, after keeping the largish house warm all night. I have zero idea of how many ‘ricks’ we used, but IIRC, we’d go through about a ton and a half a winter in outer Melbourne.

    I feel so sorry for the Nauglers hen, with all those roosters chasing her around. Horrible life for her.

  24. Looks like she run out and got herself some more Mcnuggets to try and prove you wrong Sally. Now there’s 8 not 7. Spent her day off making proof of life videos.
    Let’s wait and see if these live long enough to lay, because I haven’t seen any of the many past McNuggets, bought or hatched, make it yet. Which was the takeaway I got from your post. Will her dog Ranger (the fox) get these too? The suspense is killing me. Tune in next week for How the Homestead Turns.

  25. Hmmmmmmm she has a new video up today with a hen and chicks. I say she bought the chicks somewhere. She’s lying.

  26. See the update. The other chicks were killed, which is what I thought had happened. Probably by their dogs, but Nicole postulates a fox. LOL And it’s Sneed’s fault.

  27. BTW, just running out and buying chicks won’t really work. A hen will not accept them and mother them unless she’s broody. Put some baby chicks in with grown hens that aren’t broody, and they will kill them.

  28. Has anyone else noticed the tension and arguing between Nicole and Chuck? Mostly about her anti-cop rhetoric. What’s this about? I thought Chuck was so far up her ass that he could see through Nicole’s eyes. And if they are one-in-the-same, what crazy game is she playing with herself!?

  29. Is it just coincidence she posted baby chicks in late July, and the same day, she posted about Ranger the dog? Who has been killing the animals. And looking to get rid of the dog. Yeah, likely the Naug dog(s) are killing the chicks and it’s not foxes.

    So this is the third batch of chicks since the beginning of last summer, that she has posted pics. The first batch, they were keeping in the stead until one of the teens finished constructing the chicken house interior. The second was in late July. What happened to those two chick batches?

    Noted too, if I was the neighbor, I wouldn’t want Ranger roving over to kill my animals too. Posting about Ranger the dog’s habits of killing the animals, just gave more credibility to the neighbor’s complaints.

    Crazy animal husbandry. Doomed.

  30. What happened to those two chick batches?

    Obviously, they were all killed. To be hatched out on that property, or brought there as a young hatchling, is a death sentence. Blessed Little Killing Ground.

  31. More NicNarc games, partial truths and BS, with the chicken homesteading egg laying BS posts.
    She keeps chicks solely for her dogs to kill and eat. No refigeration needed, sort of like Wilemenia. Got it. Wonder how many chicks a dog eats in a day?
    Do food stamps cover chicks?

  32. Nicole’s blaming the neighbor for this is really a stretch. She’s all mad because thanks to Goatgate-courtdates, she now has to keep her dogs “penned up” – and now those penned-up dogs can’t protect the chickens from predators….

    I freely admit I’m out of my element here – I only keep chickens in the packages they come in at the store – so indulge my possibly stupid question: if Nicole’s dogs COULD be trusted around her own chickens, could the dogs’ enclosure encompass the chicken-coop area?

    I’m not saying put the dogs IN the actual chicken coop, of course – OK, I’m laughing too. Because these are Nicole’s dogs, after all, and we already know at least some of them cannot be trusted. Likely the dogs aren’t penned up; just tied up. And/or kept in the garden shed. Or…not.

    I did appreciate this blog post; I found the whole chick-mystery thing sort of fascinating, especially the fact that while the Naugler chicks always seem to die within days, this latest hen and her chorus of dancing boys seem to have survived at least one killing spree, perhaps more. So I went a-Googlin’ and discovered there are dozens of different animals that go after chickens….snakes, owls, raccoons, skunks, possum, rats, to name but a few…Nicole is being decidedly uncreative in blaming Fantastic Mr. Fox.

    She might as well have said the butler did it!

  33. encompass the chicken-coop area?

    What “chicken-coop area”? In the video, the hen and chicks are loose.

    One of the kids built a chicken house, but I don’t know that it’s critter-proof. And there is no evidence of any fencing around it, and at any rate, the hen and chicks are not in any enclosure. Every raccoon in a six mile radius of that place has the location entered on their smart phone, filed under “restaurant.”

  34. We have our chickens in a critter-proof house, with electric fencing all around them, and a raccoon still managed to get in and kill about half our flock. Keeping chickens is not for the faint of heart. You are keeping a chicken dinner in your backyard. Lots and lots of animals love chicken.

    They are very easy to care for, but you do have to protect them. And guard dogs are not the answer.

  35. Sally – I agree: “What chicken-coop area?” indeed. That was more of a hypothetical but perhaps I had some wishful thinking thrown in…

    I had always thought a chicken coop and a hen house were the same thing. After your reply I wasn’t so sure, so I went to Wikipedia only to be further confused: Their first paragraph opens with “A chicken coop or hen house is a building where female chickens are kept.”

    Then in the following paragraph, “A chicken coop usually has an indoor area where the chickens sleep and nest as well as an outdoor area where chickens will feed and spend the majority of the day.”

    So my quest for an “eggxact” definition went unsatisfied, which is fine because I agree that these birds are essentially unprotected in the Naugler version of free-ranging. Whatever building exists for the Blessed Birds has no fence. If it did, it would merely deprive the art-starved world of Nicole’s nature photography: The downy chicks and loving mother hen nestling amidst the delicate meadow flowers, or romping the sun-dappled, leaf-strewn fields; the roosters’ majesty in the misty morning dew, perching proudly atop the promontory of a rotting tree stump, bravely defending the family from tick infestation….

    I really do need to save this long-windedness for a blog of my own. 🙂

    I didn’t buy Nicole’s “it’s the neighbor’s fault my dogs can’t guard my chickens” excuse, but I didn’t have any idea how much influence a guard dog might wield in a more normal homestead, so thanks for the clarification. I have no doubt that chickens need some pretty tight security; one of my favorite movies, Chicken Run (yeah, that’s going back a bit, but I do love it, and it’s now on Netflix!) uses that reality to hilarious effect with that whole Hogan’s Heroes prison-camp atmosphere.

    In re-reading Nicole’s comment, the words “brave foxes” jumped out – over the lazy dogs, perhaps? Ba-dump-bing! Because of course foxes aren’t known for being brave, but rather clever, cunning, and wily; the silent ninja sort of predator outwitting the most elaborately-planned perimeters. Whereas a “brave” predator is one that just brazenly helps himself to the banquet. Which could be any animal if you let the banquet wander at will.

    Apologies for the length of this comment. Thanks as always for showing how much effort goes into an actual homestead!

  36. Chicken housing varies wildly depending on the chicken owner. We use movable “tractors,” which are just little huts that we can put on wheels. They have no floor. At our last little farm, we had an old shed that we made into a chicken house, and installed a fenced run so that the door of the house opened out into the run.

    Most people (sane people) shut chickens up at night. If you don’t, you probably won’t have chickens very long. They cannot see after dark and are very helpless.

    Our chickens are shut up at night in their house, and then let out in the am into a yard area surrounded by electric netting (fencing).

    The source you found is defining “chicken coop” as a combination of the outdoor yard and indoor house – the hens’ total living area.

  37. Oh, I have never heard of anyone using dogs to guard their chickens. I’m not sure that would work very well, actually. That doesn’t mean no one does it. It just means I’ve never seen it done.

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