[While this video appears to show Nicole in the driver’s seat, I think maybe it’s a reversed image and Joe is actually driving with Nicole in the shot-gun seat. She does not appear to be moving her arms like she was driving, but instead looks like she’s holding the camera out in front of her.]
NICOLE: Good mornin’, everybody.
Um, a quick update. We had court today for our IPOs that we filed, um, for those that don’t know, the short of it is my husband filed an IPO on Eric, um, after
JOE: (out of view, driving perhaps) Numerous threats
NICOLE: Numerous, continued threats, um, those, for whom, as for the link, I posted them before. Anyways, you’re familiar with that, so,
JOE: Not just threats like, “Oh,”
NICOLE: Yeah, “keep an eye on the target,” “not forgetting,” “teach people lessons” [Waves Joe off, who continues to try to talk] Anyways, I’ve posted about that before.
And then they in turn, um, filed reciprocal IPOs on my husband, both husband and wife, Vivian and Eric did, and then, um, sorry with the ums, that same day I filed one against Vivian because she was videotaping my family at the laundromat.(1)
JOE: And your business
NICOLE: So I filed one on Lisa Luthi who runs Blessed Little Trolls and Their Minions, co-authors the blog,(2) many other pages, and fake accounts that has been harassing me. She’s the one who recruits, um, people for her pages, has contacted every neighbor that I have(3) and tried to instigate.
So anyways, we had court today for that, um, Lisa has acquired an attorney, the Martins have acquired an attorney, and um, we are gonna just represent ourselves, because, I don’t see the need of spending money on an attorney who could say the same things I can.
But anyways, sorry, I’m trying to catch my breath
JOE: There were a lot of people in the courtroom
NICOLE: There were a lot of people in the courtroom, um, Sondra Johnston and Bethany Long. Bethany Long is the groomer that is in town here. I don’t know why she’s involved. Some days she sends me messages just saying she’s supportive and apologizes, the next day she sends me messages that, you know, she’s crazy and just goes on and on, but . . .
Sondra Johnston, who was the one who called CPS on us last year and started this whole fiasco
JOE: Made the anonymous call, never been to our property or met our children, made that call and all this got started
NICOLE: Yeah, she never even met us, but she made the anonymous call(4) that got this all started. She was there today. Lisa Luthi was there, of course, with Courtney White. If you’ve been following my story, you know who Courtney White is. When she said her name, because I don’t recognize her face, um, when she said her name (starts crying)
JOE: And this is what gets me as a husband. This is what gets me.(5)
NICOLE: These people just won’t stop terrorizing and won’t just leave us alone. All I’ve asked is just to leave us alone and they just stop.
JOE: If you’ve got a problem, call the ABC, uh, government agencies like you already have, numerous times. I’m sorry that they don’t find any fault in us, that we haven’t breaking any laws, but you cannot be vigilantes, you cannot keep harassing us into a situation.
NICOLE: But they continue it.
Um, Lisa’s lawyer has asked that, um,
NICOLE: They were talking about jurisdiction because I live in Breckinridge County even though my business is in Hardin County. Anyways, it’s been reset for March 27, so I get to go to court
JOE: And Martin, their lawyer asked for the RPD, Radcliff Police that were on the scene to come.
NICOLE: Yeah, they’re gonna call more witnesses.
JOE: Which is basically a delay tactic, so they can keep agitating(6)
NICOLE: But the IPOs are still in, in order, the temporary ones are still active, so Lisa and Viv and Eric still have their restraints on them, (7) which means they can’t come to us, they can’t come to our homes or our business or follow us about, out and about in public.
Um, thankfully, when we left the courtrooms, the bailiff gave us a 5-minute head start and made the other parties stay until we were clear of the courthouse.
JOE: Even their attorney got yelled at by the judge.
NICOLE: So, um, it’s just escalating behaviors, the fact that they’ve brought in somebody from northern Indiana who has been actively stalking since day one, I have screen shots of her, um, making comments about my children’s foster care, the care they were getting, claiming to have inside information and claiming to have connections.
So the next two weeks, I guess I’m gonna be working on, and if anybody, anybody who watches this video, if you have anything you’ve seen or heard in the last two years, ’cause we’re going back almost two years now, to May, that involves Lisa Luthi, or Courtney White, or anybody else who may or may not show up next time,(8) um, please send it to me, URLs, copy links are great if they’re still existing, if they’re screen shots those are great. I’m gonna compile as much evidence as I can. The judge will only hear some of it because her court is limited to the IPO. I just need to show the judge how serious this is for our family.
JOE: And on another note, uh, we’ve already had, uh, dozens, if not hundreds, of people, probably about a hundred and fifty people (9) so far who are involved from the beginning, who have been doxxed and stalked and harassed by these trolls from the beginning, just for being supporters. Uh, you know, people getting private messages, you know, to back off or else, people having their addresses, the exits they live on off the interstate posted in an intimidating fashion, uh, you know, your Facebook pages being shut down because trolls, you know, complained or whatever reported.
Um, we would like anybody, anybody and everybody, who has been affected by the trolls since May of 2015, like I said, we’ve already had several dozen,(10) I would say probably about a hundred and thirty-five,(11) I think, by now
JOE: People that have sent us the evidence of, of people that are sending them messages saying, “Oh, I know people, if you don’t, you know, stop supporting the Nauglers, I’ll call in favors,” you know, people, you know, have in their private information displayed, I know we had some gentleman from, uh, a group called the 3 percenters, they had their credit report displayed
NICOLE: Yeah, they pulled his credit report and everything
JOE: Uh, so we’ve gotten all that. I want anybody and everybody, if you will, it can’t be remained anonymous, these things, if we have to use them for court records, we can request that they stay sealed for the. . .
NICOLE: And you can submit them directly to the Hardin County Attorney, if you wish. Um, or the Breckinridge County Attorney,
JOE: Or the Breckinridge County Attorney
NICOLE: because we will be opening cases, we have open cases, and will be opening more cases, uh, in both counties.
JOE: As this continues to an actual, we given them plenty of warning, this will continue to a civil suit. This will, uh, we have, we have, we have no other card, that is the card we will be playing. At this point, we are just exercising and exhausting all our legal options, um, just to show in the civil suit that that is exactly the steps we’ve done, because the defamation, the slander, the libel, the constant agitation, the collusion, uh, the mob-like collusion and the, uh, mob-like instig – I mean, we’ve, they’ve written a blog about groups of them driving by our home to visit a person they’ve never met, my neighbor, they’ve never met before, they’ve written a blog about it as if, oh, whatever. But the fact is is that, they came from all over the country, and they, they mob-mentality in a lynch-style through my property, past my property to intimidate us.(12)
NICOLE: [Clearly cutting Joe off, because god damn, how could he get any stupider] And they continue it.
Uh, I’m gonna answer some of the questions.
Um, Cheryl Stanley says that there’s cyber laws. There are laws applied, that we qualify for this, but we are told by the County Attorney that this, for some reason, doesn’t violate those laws.
JOE: Now, I want to add, and I don’t care that I’m adding it, there was a la – what was her name? – that ran for city council – I want her – what’s her name?
NICOLE: Dusty June
JOE: Dusty June ran for city council in Etown. We have screen shots. She made it clear she did an attack business page on us, she made it clear that there are people who on the inside, the inner circles, as she put it, that we have pissed off. Uh, and are now targeting and persecuting us. And we have actual evidence of this targeting and persecution, not just from locals, embedded from attorneys, recorded conversations from attorneys, but also from how it’s affecting us. And we will get into that at some point.
NICOLE: [unclear remark]
But if you have anything, like I said, you can send it to us, um, the Hardin County Attorney, or the Breckinridge County Attorney, or both, um, both are accessible. I know the Hardin County Attorney’s a little more difficult to get in touch with, [looks down repeatedly to read her phone while driving] but, um, I’m gonna sign off for now, I need to take brain break, that was just way too much
JOE: Yeah, my wife’s starting to
NICOLE: emotional at once (commences crying again). I don’t know why these people won’t leave my family alone but they’re, they’re trying to tell the judge that somehow I’m harassing and stalking them. Um,
JOE: Us showing them harassing and stalking us is not harassment and stalking them. We don’t drive by their home. We don’t get in touch with their neighbors
NICOLE: A drive, like, she lives, I guess, in like northern Indiana or something like that, like far away from here, but she showed up at court today, and um, so that puts a whole ‘nother wrench
JOE: And she stood up there next to
NICOLE: as an assistant attorney. She’s trying to practice law in another state which I don’t know if she has a license to do so or what her role is, but that would be brought into question as well but her intent is clearly, uh, malicious as the other one’s.(13)
[Sigh] I don’t know why they care. I wish they didn’t. Maybe they could care about something else, but um,
JOE: I mean, they’ve already gotten, like I said, they’ve called every state agency they
NICOLE: What’s happened is is that they don’t agree with, with our lifestyle, and they had hoped back in last, back in 2015 that the state would remedy and make it go their way. They didn’t go their way. Our children are back, we’re living our lives, and these people are getting more and more frustrated which makes them more and more aggressive.
JOE: I think it goes a little bit deeper than that. I think there’s some narcissistic disorder(14) involved here. I think there’s some Stockholm syndrome,(15) and there, there are other things that I can definitely lay out from a psychological viewpoint.(16) Uh, uh, what I see is a bunch of people for two months, uh, trying to, you know, most of them were politically motivated,(17) there were a few locals who just thought we had embarrassed the community, uh, who had it out for us, and when the children were returned, no criminals charges were filed, uh, it, when we were allowed to live the exact same way we were allowed to live, uh, they had to eat what I refer to as crow, and their egos, uh, due to narcissistic personality disorder, just couldn’t handle it and they have spent the past couple of months trying to vindicate every reason, uh, why they’re doing what they’re doing, uh, and the only thing they’ve come up with is getting my neighbor to complain about my goats or uh, getting, you know, the health department about our composting, and come to find out, after all the ordeal that we were just composting without a permit.(18)
These are just citation issues. That’s all, that’s all they, all their effort has only come up with an harassment citation. These aren’t even criminal charges.
NICOLE: They’re violations.
JOE: They’re violations, and, and that makes it even more frustrating because, if, if, we were the horrible people they say we were, our business wouldn’t be growing the way it’s growing. I mean, people who actually know us wouldn’t love us the way they do. Uh, you know, our children wouldn’t be who they are. Uh, our twenty-three years of marriage wouldn’t be what it is. Um, um, you know and they would obviously be able to get more than that, I mean, I get it, the guy’s a trained, a retired trained Marine, he’s been trained to kill people, he got in my face and you know, he’s a little bit taller than I am, but I never once in the recording you can listen to, I never once respond with, you know, hey, you know, blah, you know like most gorilla men do like they’re trying to instigate me to. I don’t. That frustrates them even more.
NICOLE: Yeah. They certainly keep escalating it.
Uh, [sigh] I’m not sure what else we can do, someone suggested contacting the media. The media’s not really going to do, uh,
JOE: Well, we’ve got some things in the works, uh, a publicist, you know, a book, we’re trying to get a book together,(19) and that’s fine and dandy, uh, uh, the media locally, uh, uh, I mean, they, they wanna get involved, we’re not sure if we want to, um, you know, we’re looking at some avenues, you know, maybe the Dr. Phil show, uh, Alex Jones,(20) uh, maybe getting a
NICOLE: Yeah, we’ve been inquired, but right now, we just (unclear) to document. We don’t really want to do all that. We just want to document.
JOE: (talking all over Nicole, so very unclear) . . . the children. . .going to a more public platform, uh, and this has been hard on the kids as it is. I mean, it’s, you know, we’re just posting, our page was just a quiet little page to post about our lives in a busy, you know, a busy economic environment, you know, where family don’t really get to see each other that much, and the friends we’ve acquired. Our page started , it was fourteen hundred people that liked our page in April of 2015. You know, and then it jumped to this, and what we’re doing now is just documenting everything and basically posting on this for self-preservation, I guess for the most part.
NICOLE: Yeah, right now we’re just into self-preservation
JOE: And we’re trying to find that fine line between protecting ourselves and protecting our children, you know, from
NICOLE: Because they are escalating to try and drag our children as I posted the other day. Uh, uh, they’re just making more and more outrageous calls to CPS which I will be addressing here in a little bit.
JOE: Anonymous calls
NICOLE: Anonymous calls. Just call CPS and say whatever they can make up and then CPS is like, well, we, because our case is open, well, we have to let you know about this. Of course, our workers, who’ve been to our home, and the people who work in the agencies who’ve met our children
JOE: Like, uh, one of the things recently was a call, there was other allegations, uh, but one of them was that, uh, [child’s name], our sixteen-year-old was living at the shop. And, uh, the caseworker said, uh, she gave me an hour notice, she said, hey, but we don’t care, she comes out once a month, so we’re like, yeah, just come on out(21) and uh, she comes out and [child’s name] goes down to, uh, open the gate so she pulls up and she tells me what the call was about, and that it was anonymous, and she’s like, I thought it was funny that [child’s name] was the one that actually opened the gate for me. Uh, and I told her that we have videos, that we have security cameras at the shop, we can, uh, nobody’s living at the shop and I’m not even sure if, you know, uh, there are no restrictions on how long or how, er, what the guidelines are for running our business. You can run a 24-hour business
NICOLE: Even if he was at the shop at night or whatever, I don’t understand
JOE: what law would be broken
NICOLE: Right. They, um, no one’s living at the shop. We have perfectly fine at our house, we kind of like our house, even though you might not like it, we like it and we live there.
But, um, yeah, we’re just trying to hope we can get some more, um, defense up, and more proof that hopefully we can get these people to stop. Uh, I was just really bothered that they have escalated it.
If you have any agencies that you think maybe might be interested, then feel free to contact them, and they can, you know, go through their information and look up what they need and see if they can help or not. Um, I honestly don’t have the time or the energy at this point to go around trying to find people who may or may not help. I, I ask on my page and that’s about as far as I go, am willing to go, because I have way too much to focus on. I’ve got, you know, the homestead, it’s springtime, we’ve got to focus on that,(22) we’ve got the business that’s just booming, um, I’m gonna have a baby in a few months and we’ve got to be prepared for that.(23) I just want this other stuff to go away. People keep perpetuating it. It’s going on two years and all they do is drag it out, um, our issues
JOE: [talks over her, unclear]
NICOLE: It’s not even anything new, it’s just the same stuff, and they’re just trying to instigate more people by posting false information
JOE: It’s funny, I did a, a podcast a couple of weeks ago and they went over and tried to say all sorts of horrible things about me and they were like, well, do you have any proof of it, oh, and they’re like, well, just look, just Google their names and look over the internet, and they did and their response was, it’s just you guys saying the same stuff
NICOLE: Asking for credible sources and they’re the only source, so there’s
JOE: Yeah, saying that Sally Davis’s blog is a credible, you know, source is ridiculous. Uh, (laughs).(24)
NICOLE: Yeah, and they, say the other side, if you want the other side, you can call the sheriff’s department, you can ask them whatever you want, you can call CPS, you can ask them whatever you, you want, I mean, that’s the other side of the story. Sally Davis, Lisa Luthi, Bethannie Horn, Al Wilson, all those other clowns, aren’t the other side of the story. They’re just spectators. And, um, that’s, that’s what it is.(25)
So, anyhow, I will post any other additional information in the comments if you want to follow up on anything, if you have any to private message us. . .
JOE: And again, I want to, uh, reiterate how grateful we are for our support. The fact that we have the support that we have and we’ve made this public, uh, we believe does keep us somewhat safe and does help us, uh, I mean, it’s just a testimony. It really is. It’s a testimony to the human spirit, uh, and to how we need each other. Uh, and uh, we love every single one of you. We pray for all of you, uh, and we tell our children, uh, and it shows to our children the support we get and it’s a great testimony to our children and our family. Uh, so thank you. Thank you very much.(26)
1. If I remember correctly, the assertion was that Eric videotaped while driving past the laundromat. I saw that video and I do not remember seeing any people in it. Just a building with some vehicles in front of it. You know, something like a video of a business with a dog out front.
2. Lisa does not co-author this blog. Nobody does. I was gone, as most everyone knows, last spring for six weeks on a transatlantic cruise, and during that period, Al Wilson was administering the blog. He accepted volunteer submissions from people, used some of them, didn’t use others, edited some of them, and posted the ones he chose to post on the blog. All those submissions were signed “The Nefarious Please.” They are quite easy to spot.
Anything else on this blog is something I wrote unless I specifically say otherwise. I really am perfectly capable of doing this all by myself, like a big girl.
3. The Nauglers have a neighbor on either side of them. The second neighbor is a recent addition. Nicole’s business is in a strip mall with several other businesses. This is false statement, just plain false.
4. If it’s anonymous, you don’t know who made it. The fact that the Nauglers know who made this call makes it, by definition, not anonymous.
5. Gag me with a spoon.
7. She fails to mention that Nicole and Joe also still have their restraining orders in place as well. This works both ways.
8. Here we are. Send Nicole screen shots or links to anything anyone has said anywhere who may or may not show up in court. Anyone. Anyone who may not show up. Nicole, do you want a copy of my entire Facebook page for all time? Should I send you screen shots of the whole thing? After all, I “may or may not” show up in court.
9. 150 people. That’s a lot.
10. Oh, it’s several dozen. That’s not quite so many.
11. Wait. It’s 135. Yes, I’m laughing.
12. We “mob-mentality in a lynch-style.” I’m not sure which is better, that or “milk sandwiches.”
13. Proving intent is very hard to do, Joe. You might research that a bit.
14. Joe said this: “narcissistic disorder.” He didn’t spell it. Thankfully.
15. Joe once took an online course from some place like the University of Phoenix and now he thinks he’s a psychiatrist. He needs to look up “Stockholm syndrome.”
16. You can? You can definitely lay them out? You’re not doing real well so far.
17. My involvement with all this has nothing whatever to do with politics. I find Nicole’s and Joe’s political bullshit to be just that—bullshit, but that has nothing to do with where they dump their waste or how many people sleep in a small shed intended for a lawn mower.
18. Really? That’s all it was? Then why are you paying for the Porta-Potty?
19. I laughed.
20. And I laughed again.
21. Notice how cavalier Joe is about this. They just told the caseworker to “come on out” because you know, they are just so open to CPS visiting them. Notice the irony here?
22. Focus on the homestead? If they do, it will be the first time in three years. Focus on what? Planting a little garden? Nicole isn’t going to plant a garden. She doesn’t do shit like that.
23. When you are going to spit out Baby #12, and you’ve had most of them unassisted, exactly what is going to take almost five months to “prepare”? I mean, do you need to re-arrange the furniture and paint the nursery? Do you need to find that pair of scissors to cut the cord? What?
24. And I was starting to get really offended because I wasn’t mentioned. But Joe didn’t disappoint me.
25. Oh, Nicole. Thank you so much for that little blurb. All nicely recorded on video. What a gift that statement was.
NOTE: Comments are fine. I am going to moderate them pretty heavily though, and I’m not going to be very open about why I moderate what I moderate. The cases have been continued until March 27, and I have reasons for being careful about this. Please bear with me. I know this is cryptic as hell and I apologize for that.
Just go ahead and comment. If I have to scrub some of it, I will do so without telling you why. Forgive me.