Joe wanted to be on a podcast. He could have come over to Naugler Nation. He’s welcome there, but I don’t think they have the sort of audience he was looking for. He found a podcast done by three guys who look like they’re trying to be Rush Limbaugh and bent their ears for more than an hour. Here’s the link if you want to wade through the whole thing. Joe starts at about the 27 minute mark.
This is going to take several posts and probably a couple of days. I can’t spend all day long transcribing video.
Note: I am not going to differentiate between the three hosts. Transcribing this is laborious enough as it is, and they actually don’t say very much, so I am just going to call them all “Host.”
HOST: I don’t know much about him, um, or his family. (1) Is he up? Is he on? Joseph, can you hear us?
HOST2: He’s trying.
HOST1: Okay. All right.
HOST: [Begins to talk about something else since Joe is not online.]
HOST: Here we are. (Joe appears in upper corner of screen on Skype, complete with a bunch of kids.)
Wow, I love your crew, Joseph.
How are you guys doing?
How are you doing?
Hello? [Joe is smiling and obviously cannot hear them.]
There’s a big delay.
JOE: A lot of people to fit into one little screen.
HOST: Yeah, it certainly is.
Joseph, who’s going to be speaking? Do you prefer to be called Joseph, or Joe, or do you care?
You’re having issues hearing me.
JOE: Joseph will be fine.
HOST: Okay. And then, wow. Oh boy. If you’re listening in the audio, all the. . . there are. . .how many kids in the background there.
Oh, my god.
So, we’re all. . .
JOE: Ten (unclear)
HOST: Ten and your wife.
See, that is why we’re all kind of sitting here slack-jawed, in awe, amazed by this.
So, Joseph, tell us a little bit about yourself and what you do, please.
JOE: Um, well, uh, a little bit about myself is, um, I guess fundamentally I’m just a very intimate father and a husband.(2)
JOE: And those are my main goals in life is to be as intimate as I can be with my children and my wife. . . we’ve been together. . . we just celebrated 23 years.
JOE: And, um, I, uh, my wife runs a pet grooming business and I homeschool the kids and run the homestead here. (2) It works for us and uh, you know, some of the older kids that you see in the pictures here, they go and help Mom out at the work. It’s part of how we homeschool. Teach them a trade.
JOE: You know the customer service, the bookkeeping and stuff so, uh, but, uh, we just, it all, I guess it just comes down to, you know, a lot of people ask us, cause we homeschool, about the socialization, and I say, you know, it’s a peer-based kind of society and I want to change that to a family-based society.
You know, we no longer have grandpas sitting their grandchildren on their laps telling them moral-relative stories. Uh, we’ve kind of lost that connection, we’ve lost our connection with our food, with, uh, with the way we pass on, with death, even, I mean, a lot of people send their elders to old folks’ homes. So, I’ve really focused on trying to change that.
HOST: Yeah, you have a classroom full of kids in your house anyway.
Thank you for, thank you for being a compassionate father that wants to be intimate with his children. I know you don’t need my thanks, but I just want you to know, I really appreciate the way you are making the future a better place by loving your children well.
Um, would you. . .
JOE: (unclear). . .you can push a lot of laws, you can push a lot of policies and political beliefs but fundamentally, you know, Ghandi said it right, be the change you want to see in the world and that’s kind of where I’m starting.
HOST: Can you tell us first a little bit. . .tell us what a homestead is and then can you tell us why you wanted to start one?
JOE: Okay. Um, well, I like to consider us a quasi-homestead. (3) I use the word “quasi” because a lot of people want to push their purity, their ideas and how they think and “oh, well, you’re just not a real homesteader because you’re doing this, this and this” or I have internet so I’m not a real off-gridder and you know it gets kind of annoying having those conversations all the time, so I just kind of interject the word “quasi” and just hey, this is our concept.
Uh, but as far as homesteading, it, uh, what we do is, we’re trying to, you know, I studied psychology, and I notice a lot of people who suffer from anxiety and depression are disconnected from their food. (4) I mean, look what happens when there’s a storm. People run to get their, uh, you know, their, uh, milk-bread, their milk sandwiches. You know, so I just feel it’s important that we connect fundamentally with how we grow our food, and how we kill our food, how we , uh, uh, raise our food and those things, and uh, so our homesteading. . .we kind of do it on the, you know, I also add the word “wilderness,” uh, because we foliage, (5) we go out in the wild, we know what mushrooms and what plants we can eat, and what ones are used for medicine, and which ones are poisonous.
HOST: That’s awesome.
.JOE: So, but the more my children, it, I have seen them so fundamental and grounded in who they are and in their environment knowing these things. Uh, so they, you know, my children, even after what we went through in May of 2015, uh, they don’t suffer from a lot of those things that other people suffer from with anxiety and depression and things, (6) so that’s fundamentally what our concept of homesteading is
HOST: Okay, thank you. Can you tell us a little bit, if you’re willing to, about what you went through in 2015? Did you hear that? Okay.
JOE: Yeah, uh, (some garbled stuff due to poor connection, I think), we’re very big on, on sharing our testimony and sharing our way of life and things like that, and we know what it does. It, it, you know, it inspires some people and um, but for the most part, it, in our culture, with such a politically-charged environment, it does cause a lot of contention. Um, but, uh, we oftentimes, I think it’s happened like seven or eight times, we’ve had people try to use the state and its overreaching abilities they’ve acquired, um, to target us.
Uh, we’ve, uh, you know, had conversations over circumcision and people have called CPS, you know, these anonymous calls, you know, which are unconstitutional. . .
HOST: Oh, my goodness
JOE: . . . because we have a right to face our, our accuser, but there was an anonymous to CPS from a woman, uh, who was upset that I, uh, it was two women involved, one of them was upset that I deleted her on Facebook. . (7)
JOE: Yeah, I know, it’s just bizarre. And so, I went over to where they were living, and they’re renting a trailer from the people that actually own the place and they have a great well. And we have to cart our water in, just like our neighbors do, they cart their water in, and uh, the owners of the property are preppers and we got along with them quite well. We’d share ideas, and we’d share prepping, you know, resources and things, and they had given me permission to, and I went over to get some water, and, and, she started acting, you know, aggressive and hostile and such and uh, she had another woman and they were kind of approaching us and whatever, but they had never been on our property, they’d never met us or our children, and uh, she sent some nasty messages to my wife and said she was gonna call CPS, so, uh, this had been the second time as we lived here because we have video recorded of the first time that the sheriff of Breckinridge County had come to our property (8)and was in my wife’s face and threatening, you know, emergency removal order.
At that time, uh, 18 months prior, my wife was ready to give birth, any day now, so, uh, I was being diplomatic, um, pretty much, you know, as we were exercising our rights, he was being very aggressive. We called the state police, they showed up, uh, and we allowed CPS to talk to our children. And, and it wasn’t like they said, “Oh, are you guys abused” or, or this or that. It was “are you happy?” I was, like, go to a public school. Ninety percent of the kids there are gonna tell you they’re not happy. Are you gonna remove them?
HOSTS: [a little snickering] Right.
JOE: But, it, it, basically they, they just went down to that and they never came back out. They never were concerned about anything they saw, any issues, or anything.
JOE: So, eighteen months later, they get another anonymous call and they wanna do a, well, in the state of Kentucky, anonymous calls are not probable cause. But much like the mailman, they’re allowed to come knock on your door and say, “Hey, this is our concern” and you tell them to leave, to come back with a warrant and they’ve got to respect that. And so, and it was basically that. And we recorded the conversations with the sheriff and he makes mention of a couple of posts we made on Facebook on how to exercise your rights and how to deal with police, and he’s making these kind of issues, threatening that he’ll get SWAT team involved and all sorts of, uh, you know, and he just basically tells us we don’t have any rights. (9)
JOE: And without any, off of an anonymous call, without any probable cause or imminent danger for him to justify, just on the fact that we weren’t cooperating, we were exercising our rights, he gets a judge, out of Breckinridge County to issue an emergency removal order.
JOE: And it starts off with him pulling my wife over and taking the two oldest boys, arresting her for disorderly conduct. . .
JOE: . . . for disorderly conduct and resisting arrest. But in the recording you can hear that she’s just exercising her rights. “I want to see a warrant. . .”
JOE: “On what grounds?” “Why did you even pull me over?” He never once says anything. He just says, “Well, I’ve got a . . . and even upon her saying “I’d like to see the warrant,” never once did they, did they handed over one.
So he just takes the kids, uh, and then I show up. I’m at a friend’s and she called me and I said, oh, they’re gonna kill her. They’re gonna shoot her. My wife knows she’s right, and I don’t care how big you are, I don’t care how many guns you have, if she knows she’s in the right, she won’t stop.
And so I had my friend drive me up, and uh, I get out and my wife and the boys are in different squad cars and. . .
JOE: . . . and at first he grabs his gun and goes to get a little threatening with me and I take a step back. By this time, traffic had kind of built up and I was able to get her phone which had the recordings in it. They were trying to get it and it had flung out of her hands and into the grass and they weren’t able to find it, but I was able to get it before they did.
JOE: Um, but then he gives me, on top of everything, he gives me 14 hours to drop the other eight kids off or I’ll face eight counts of felony custodial interference, which didn’t make sense to me.
HOST: With your own children? [Laughs]
JOE: Yes, and the fact that what was the imminent danger or probable cause that’s so imminent that my kids had to be emergency removed, that he’s giving me. . . I could have been in Mexico by then. (10)
HOSTS: Right. Yeah.
JOE: I could have (unclear) out every evidence. I could have, I just could have completely gone, aside from any felony charges he threatened me with.
HOST: They’re gonna hit you with a felony based off basically nothing.
JOE: And so, I dropped them off the next morning. I, I don’t want to battle. . . Right. Just because we exercised our rights, uh, and they make it clear, you can hear the recording, he makes it clear, that that, he’s monitoring our Facebook pages, and, uh, he’s very upset about us teaching people their rights and how to deal with police. Very upset.
HOST: How dare you. . . Well, you know there’s that old slogan that don’t steal, the government hates competition, but this is don’t kidnap, the government hates competition.
JOE: Right. So, (garbled due to poor transmission) I didn’t want to have felony charges on top of everything else that we could have been looking at, cause you know the government. Once the government (garbled) resisting arrest, which are just misdemeanor charges. Class A, you know, misdemeanor. So I dropped the other eight kids off, and you know, we walk in and I dropped them off, and, you know, I tried to make it, I mean, we let our kids know clearly what’s going on, and what’s gonna happen. . .
JOE: . . . you heard in the recording, let them know, I’m preparing them emotionally and mentally for this. (11) Uh, so, I don’t know how long this is gonna take, uh, Kentucky is one of the worst, uh, has some of the worst corruption in family court and CPS. . .(12)
HOST: Really. . .
JOE: You know, people where no crimes have been charged, nothing has been charged, uh, and they still for years don’t have their kids back. People are like, they’re amazed that we got our kids back after eight weeks, and that breaks my heart. That really does.
JOE: They’re just tearing families apart like this. What we’ve seen, um, there’s so much money involved. There’s so much politics involved. I mean, when I first walked in the courtroom that Thursday, uh, ah, I mean, I’m just walking in the family court and the first question they, they ask me is, uh, “Mr. Naugler. Do you recognize our authority?” (13)
JOE: What. . . Yes! Like, what does that have to do with anything? You have my kids. You have the guns. I’m here. Trust me, I recognize your, imaginary or not, your authority.
HOST: Yeah, your superior firepower.
JOE: That’s right. I mean, really, you walk in and it’s a small little room and on this side of the wall there were like twenty sheriff’s deputies, marshalls, and state police, and on this side of the wall there was like twenty CPS workers. And then you had our lawyer, then us, and the table was just full.
HOST: So this was more about getting you to fall in line more than anything else.
JOE: You know, that, that’s what it was because in this meeting it, and we’re gonna get ahold of the transcripts. Right now our case isn’t closed and it’s almost been two years
JOE: And it’s an (unclear) we’ve had to go through and everything but. . .
HOST: There is no case
End of Part 1, for no particular reason except that’s where I stopped.
- And there was the first mistake these wanna-be podcasters made. Information about the Nauglers is simple to find. Their story went viral and ended up being published all over the world. Ignorance is no excuse. This is sloppy “journalism.” It’s fairly clear from the comments that follow that the hosts didn’t even know that the Naugs have umpty-bazillion children.
- Did anyone find that creepy? I found that creepy.
- Joe has this ongoing problem when people ask him what he does. They mean: where do you work? Joe doesn’t work, so he uses this ridiculous “homeschooling” and “homesteading” thing. He does neither one. If Joe is a quasi-homesteader, then Dave is a quasi-helicopter pilot because he once had a lesson on a simulator.
- I’m not sure what to say about this. The Naugler family does not raise or gather or grow any appreciable amount of food. They never have that I can tell. They’ve butchered one tiny goat. They’ve grown a very, very few vegetables. Lots of people live in cities and do more than that.
- This not a transcription error. This is what he said.
- Do I need to post screen shot after screen shot of Nicole talking about how emotionally damaged the children are from the horrible stay with the horrible statists? I’m glad to know that none of that is true.
- Here’s a little bit about the Alford plea. They do not present you with one of these because somebody got mad about being unfriended on Facebook. The woman in question refused to allow Joe to get water. This angered Joe and he has a real tendency to bully women. Joe conveniently left out the part where he told one of his kids to go to the car and get the gun out of the dash. That is what led directly to the menacing charge (and an Alford plea is in fact a guilty plea) and conviction.
- The first time Sheriff Pate came to the Naugler property was because their small daughter had run away and was found walking up the road far from the Shitstead. Here’s the transcript of that incident, which Nicole helpfully recorded for us so we’d know exactly what happened and who said what.
- He never said any such thing. He never implied any such thing. Here’s the transcript.
- He could have been in Mexico but then he would have had eight kids and no working wife. There was no danger of him going anywhere, ever.
- This is a transcript of Joe “preparing them emotionally and mentally.” After reading that, if you still think Joe is telling the truth about all this stuff, then I give up.
- I call BS on that one. Joe makes claims like this without offering the slightest evidence.
- If they, in fact, asked him that question (and Joe is prone to alternative facting when it comes to relating the gist of a conversation), they were concerned as hell because Joe and Nicole have hinted a good bit that they wouldn’t mind resorting to violence if they thought their “rights” were being violated. Go back and read the transcripts of the runaway child and the removal of the kids and you’ll see what I mean. Nobody wants to go out to their property ever because you have no idea if you go whether somebody is going to shoot at you or not.
More later when I get to it.