Grave Repercussions

Marx grave

First, Nicole quoted Hannah McCoy’s comment without attribution (quotation marks, or something else to indicate that she didn’t write that paragraph), but that’s just a bit of a quibble because I’m not letting her get away with shit due to this.

But oh gee, there’s a fee to visit the cemetery where Karl Marx is buried.  How awful.  The implication made in this silly post is, of course, that communism doesn’t work somehow because of fees.  Or something.

I admit that this piqued (for Nicole: sparked) my interest, so I looked it up.

Turns out that Karl Marx is buried in London’s Highgate Cemetery.  It is, in fact, a private cemetery (not state-owned) which is really sort of interesting. The cemetery opened in 1839, partially because at the time, burial plots were attached to churches and unable to cope with demand. Remember, in England, the Church of England is state-supported.  It’s a completely different system than we have here in America, so it behooves us to exercise caution when making comparisons.

The people who started the cemetery were not “marx (sic) enthusiasts.” Karl Marx was 21 years old then, and nobody had ever heard of him.

Marx died in 1883. It seems that he’d already bought a plot in the cemetery as he made his own final arrangements (an admirable thing, by the way). Why he chose that cemetery is anyone’s guess, but mine would be that he preferred that to being buried in some church-connected graveyard.

The cemetery occupies 37 acres of land and has 170,000 bodies buried in it.  Only one of those is Karl Marx.

Another is Douglas Adams, who wrote A Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy, and who I admired greatly.  George Eliot is there, as is Charles Dickens’ wife (he’s buried in Westminster Abbey). Christina Rossetti is buried there (if you haven’t read her poetry, do so right now-here’s a sample).

The cemetery has to be maintained.  The alternative is to let it fall into disrepair and have trash strewn all around the place, and have the pond turn into a scummy mess, and allow animals to just roam at will. Somebody has to do that maintenance, and that somebody has to be paid.

Generally, in this country, cemeteries are private and maintained by a trust that uses the funds generated by selling plots.  I have no idea how this works in England, but I would assume in a similar manner.  Why this seems to have been inadequate, I can’t say, but I can guess that perhaps the fees generated were simply not high enough to create enough interest income to pay the higher wages that exist today.

Marx’s grave seems to be the one that attracts the most visitors. It’s also located in the older part of the property, and it’s the most prone to vandalism.  So prone, in fact, that the cemetery has had to insist that visitors be accompanied to visit it.  Somebody has to pay for that person to accompany those visitors.

As one Marxist put it:

“Marx believed that labor should be rewarded, he didn’t believe that you could achieve a classless society simply by refusing to pay for things,” he said.

“He wasn’t a hippie, let’s put it like that.”

And that’s your little history lesson for today. See, a real homeschooler would take that stupid little post from Facebook and turn it into a actual lesson.  Maybe get a copy of the Hitchhiker’s Guide and do some reading.  Or just read some of Rossetti’s poetry, much of it suitable for children being raised in the country.

13 thoughts on “Grave Repercussions”

  1. Oh my. Be still my heart. Thank you for a wonderful read. Rossetti brought a tear to my eye. It had been too long. Hitchhiker series I recently reread when my youngest got hooked. A great loss when Adams passed. We lose too many young bright minds and talents. I’ve been to Highgate Cemetery, but didn’t know half of what I read here today. Thank you again. I look forward to your next blog post.

  2. One thing that often catches Americans by surprise when they go overseas is that you have to pay to enter museums, etc. So having to pay money to enter a private cemetery to visit one of its most famous internees should come as a complete shock if it’s not the first place they encounter the practice. Overseas visitors often express their amazement at not HAVING to pay admission to enter the Smithsonian museum complex. Donations are always appreciated though. The gift shops and concessions do raise money but there is still a lot of overhead.

    This is an anthology of poems and it’s at Abebooks for $2.56 plus shipping & handling. It may have be something that several of her children will enjoy.

    Animal Poems: An Anthology (Jarrold Poet Series)
    Anne Priestley, William Blake, Edward Lear, Emily Dickinson, Christina Rosetti, Lewis Carroll, Rudyard Kipling, W.B.Yeats, John Bunyan, William Wordsworth, John Keats, G.K.Chesterton, et al
    Published by Jarrold Publishing, 1994

    I found more information that might be of interest to your readers. $6 or so to visit isn’t expensive and it’s private property that needs to be maintained and protected. Cough it up. I’d pay that to go wander around and visit Douglas Adams’ grave, amongst others!

    “On 17 March 1883, three days after his death, the funeral cortege of the ‘best hated and calumniated man of his times’ wound its way up from the Marx family home on Maitland Park Road in Kentish Town to Highgate cemetery where the dead philosopher was to be buried with his wife Jenny, who had died two years before. The funeral of one of the most renowned men who has ever lived was famously attended by a mere eleven mourners; his daughters Eleanor and Laura, his two son-in-law’s Charles Longuet and Paul Lafargue, Engels (of course, who also organised and paid for it as well as delivering the celebrated oration) and a number of socialist colleagues and admirers. The leader of the German Social-Democratic party made a speech in German, Longuet said a few words in French, two telegrams from workers parties in France and Spain were read out and Engels made his speech. And that was it, the sum total of the exequies. The funeral party made its way back to Kentish Town and the gravediggers heaped earth onto the coffin. A few days later a stone mason would have come and added Marx’s name to Jenny Marx’s simple headstone. A week after Marx’s funeral the family was back at the grave to bury his five year old grandson Harry Longuet.”
    http://thelondondead.blogspot.com/2014/07/the-posthumous-life-of-karl-marx.html

  3. If the Nauglers could find a way to charge people to come look at their “homestead” they would do it in a heartbeat. I’m not sure why she acts like charging to see a very famous and influential man’s grave is that ridiculous. Her stupidity never ceases to astound me. (There’s some “big” words for you, Nicole.)

  4. I just loved this post. I must re-read the suggested authors and poets again! I have them in my Kobo which I have not used in a while.

    Your example of how to turn misinformed memes into a true history lesson was marvelous! I do hope the Naugler parents and children can learn from you..

  5. This habit of Nicole’s —reposting FB quotes and memes that “speak to her politics” —is what is terrifying about the dumbing down of America. It’s a bad game of “telephone” made worse by the fact that the players have access to research and READ about a topic before they post clueless shit, yet they simply don’t bother. Posting and reposting memes and clueless quotes has suddenly become its own “research” and “information”. America, you’re moving towards Idiocracy, and the Nauglers are leaders of the pack.

  6. Enjoyed this post and the historical details. Thank you.

    Nicole has never traveled outside the United States. She would not know that it is commonplace for famous churches, museums, botanical gardens, and even cemeteries, to charge entrance fees.

    Who will pay the guards to stand 8 hrs and make sure no one defaces artwork, or steals? Or grave robs? Who pays the people to dust the sculptures, wash window cases, bathrooms, floors? Who coughs up the money for the informational programs on the museums or other sites; btw, printed in many languages? At Highgrove Cemetery, who will pay the guards, gardeners to mow the grass, janitors to pick up any trash left by tourists? VOLUNTEERS?

    If I had the largesse, FF sake I would take her and her brood to see a few countries. Why? So she and her impressionable young ones would understand there is a lot more to this world outside being a survivalist (not), living in the wilderness (not), cloth diapering and hatred of the government and police.

  7. Michael Caine, I often had the same thoughts as you.

    “If I had the largesse, FF sake I would take her and her brood to see a few countries. Why? So she and her impressionable young ones would understand there is a lot more to this world outside being a survivalist (not), living in the wilderness (not), cloth diapering and hatred of the government and police. ”

    Sadly, Mr. & Mrs. Naugler would probably turn down your generous offer if you were able to extend it. Despite the fact that your idea of travel would fall completely in line with the unschooling way of learning. It would also reveal how limited Joe and Nicole are in not only their education but the ability to think. How would they be able to control and deprive their children once they realize how idiotic their parents choices are?

    Argumentative opinions seem to be what they thrive on, not knowledge. That is why it is so devastating for the children. The only thing they will be taught is their parents misguided opinions. Also, it is my observation that many who hold a lot of opinions also tend to hold few pennies in their pockets. Napoleon Hill expressed this well.

    “Opinions are the cheapest commodities on earth. Everyone has a flock of opinions ready to be wished upon anyone who will accept them. If you are influenced by “opinions” when you reach DECISIONS, you will not succeed in any undertaking.”
    ― Napoleon Hill

  8. Dawn,

    Thank you!!!! You captured so many of my concerns perfectly. Nicole is exhibit A in my online surfing these days but I realize it has become so widespread and it’s scary. Trump is such an obvious embodiment of this too.

    Nicole isn’t dumb she, like you said, just doesn’t bother to look deeper or fact-check anything. She’s intellectually lazy. Her credulity and disinterest in thinking critically is maddening.

    There are many examples of this but her “Little House” share is a recent one. I had recently read up a bit on Laura Ingalls Wilder so I already knew some information about her life beyond what I read in the books as a child or saw on the TV show but to refresh my memory I did a quick Wikipedia check and that was all it took to confirm that the “Little House” books are not factual and there was government. (Wikipedia isn’t perfect but it’s not terrible for basic, non-controversial things like this.)

    Ingalls moved with her family from the Big Woods of Wisconsin in the year 1869, before she was two years old. They stopped in Rothville, Missouri, and settled in Kansas, in Indian country near what is now Independence. Her younger sister Carrie (1870–1946) was born there in August 1870, soon before they moved again. According to Ingalls Wilder in later years, her father had been told that the location would soon be open to white settlers but that was incorrect; their homestead was actually on the Osage Indian reservation and they had no legal right to occupy it. They had only just begun to farm when they were informed of their error, and they departed in 1871. Several neighbors stayed and fought eviction.[11]

    From Kansas they returned to Wisconsin, where they lived for the next four years. Those experiences formed the basis for Little House on the Prairie and Little House in the Big Woods. The fictional chronology of Ingalls Wilder’s books in this regard does not match fact: Ingalls was about one to three years old in Kansas and four to seven in Wisconsin; in the novels she is four to five in Wisconsin (Big Woods) and six to seven in Kansas (Prairie). According to a letter from Rose, daughter of Laura Ingalls Wilder, to biographer William Anderson, the publisher had Ingalls Wilder change her age in Prairie because it seemed unrealistic for a three-year-old to have memories so specific as her story of life in Kansas.[12] To be consistent with her already established chronology, she made herself six to seven years old in Prairie and seven to nine years old in On the Banks of Plum Creek, the third volume of her fictionalized history, which takes place around 1874.

    Reading further, the Wikipedia entry mentions that Laura’s father was a justice of the peace in 1877. Nicole could have easily done this quick check but she’s basically more interested in giving the appearance of being a free or critical thinker when really she’s just all about confirmation bias. Even the link at the bottom of that post that we’re told to click on and read does not go to an article about the wild west.

    Honestly, too, does she not remember that the Ingalls daughters all went to public school in the books and on the show? Laura also worked as a “government” school teacher when she was just a teen.

    Maybe I’ll just give her the benefit of the doubt and assume she’s just baiting again because of her pathological need for attention. Poor Joann mildly chastised Nicole for stirring the pot with another post and Nicole responded with characteristic venom. I’m sure Joann wishes, for the sake of her beautiful grandchildren, that Nicole would drop her obsession with stirring the figurative pot and step away from the internet long enough to stir a literal pot and prepare some healthy, hearty meals for those awesome kids.

  9. And my maternal grandparents are buried there too – there are a lot of ‘ordinary’ people in Highgate Cemetery!

  10. I enjoyed reading your comments and history of Ingalls of “Little House”, Sad Spiral. Thanks for the refresher, in recalling the Ingalls children attending public school, and Laura as a teacher. Also, I noticed JoAnn’s mild chastise and Nicole’s response. I tend to agree, grandmother’s intentions seem good spirited.

  11. Thanks for the high five Sad Spiral!
    And for reminding us that Laura Ingalls was not some anarchist against the government and public education, but was a product of public schooling and worked for as a public servant.

    Seanache —- I’d imagine that people who have relatives buried in Highgate cemetery do not pay to enter it? Many cemeteries do periodic outreach to descendants of people buried there, requesting donations. It’s normal. Death is forever, and the grass needs trimming.

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