Dumb and Dumber

Nicole has written a treatise on education.

It’s ghastly.

I’ll quote from it a little bit. I am going to refrain from doing what I want to do, which is to totally critique the writing and red-line the hell out of it, but I will just point out one pet peeve of mine instead.

In the first paragraph, she says “We use to consider ourselves eclectic homeschoolers.”

Nicole, the expression is in the past tense.  Look that up if you don’t know what it means. It should be written “We used to consider ourselves. . .”  There is a “d” on the end of the word.  Really, they are free. Go ahead and use one.  Please.

I point this out because it’s one of the most common errors Nicole makes, and there is a reason for it.

She does it because she, as she says elsewhere, writes like she talks.

She doesn’t read.

My guess is she almost never reads.  It’s for damn sure she often posts shit on Facebook without ever reading anything but the headline.  She doesn’t read actual, real books.

As a result, she hears “We use to consider ourselves. . .”

The last part of the word “used” (the “d”) blends in with the t-sound of the word “to” and she doesn’t hear it.  Since she never sees it written, she doesn’t know it’s wrong.

And yes, I’m nit-picking.

How many gallons of gas can I get for $20 is an algebra problem?

Uh, no.

2nd grade math problem

This is a similar word problem.  It’s a very simple division problem, and it’s taught in the second grade.

simple algebra word problem

This is an algebra problem.

If you cannot tell the difference, Nicole, you don’t need to be homeschooling. Really.  You aren’t capable.

And her retort might be that nobody in the real world ever wants to figure out anything like that, but they actually do.

The really basic stuff (addition, etc) is something you cannot even function without in our society, but higher math helps a student develop the ability to do things like calculate risk, something that Nicole would have found very handy just a matter of a few weeks ago.  Higher math can help a student determine more easily when a politician is lying to him about statistics. And it is for certain that anyone who aspires to college is going to have real trouble without actual algebra, some geometry and preferably a bit of trig and calculus as well.

If Nicole’s children write like their father, they do not write coherent sentences, because he most assuredly cannot do that.

I totally agree that the best way to expand your vocabulary is to read. Conversing doesn’t do it.  Talking to your siblings won’t do it. Reading will, but the reading has to be challenging. If you only read stuff that is written for the web, you’re not going to expand very much.  Most journalists write at about a sixth-grade level, because if they get anywhere above that, they lose their audience.

You can’t just hand children books, or worse, let them pick out books, and just read whatever they want and expect them to significantly increase their vocabulary and skill.  You have to push them outside their comfort zone.  And you have to do it repeatedly.  Just like learning to swim, some kids will venture into the deep water all by themselves, and the only problem is making sure they are safe.  But many, maybe most, kids won’t do that. They won’t go into the deep water or put their head under without some coaxing.

Did anyone else have to read Ivanhoe in high school?  God, what a slog that was. I still remember it. Just in case you missed that particular pleasure, here’s a sample, from the first chapter.

The situation of the inferior gentry, or Franklins, as they were
called, who, by the law and spirit of the English constitution,
were entitled to hold themselves independent of feudal tyranny,
became now unusually precarious. If, as was most generally the
case, they placed themselves under the protection of any of the
petty kings in their vicinity, accepted of feudal offices in
his household, or bound themselves by mutual treaties of alliance and protection, to support him in his enterprises, they might indeed purchase temporary repose; but it must be with the sacrifice of that independence which was so dear to every English bosom, and at the certain hazard of being involved as a party in whatever rash expedition the ambition of their protector might lead him to undertake. On the other hand, such and so multiplied were the means of vexation and oppression possessed by the great Barons, that they never wanted the pretext, and seldom the will, to harass and pursue, even to the very edge of destruction, any of their less powerful neighbours, who attempted to separate themselves from their authority, and to trust for their protection, during the dangers of the times, to their own inoffensive conduct, and to the laws of the land.

I cannot remember what grade I was in when we read that, but I remember how hard it was, and how at first I hated it, and then how I began to understand the cadence and some of the language, and then how much I enjoyed it. I remember it now as my introduction to Really Hard Books and I’ve read a lot of them since.

If you want a child to learn something that is hard, any skill that is difficult, you don’t give them shitty equipment, no supervision, shoddy materials and expect them to make any significant progress.

Let’s take dog-grooming for an example.

Nicole has been teaching her oldest daughter to groom dogs.  I bet that when she started doing that, she did not turn that child loose with the cheapest pair of clippers made, a plastic shitty comb, a cheap pair of scissors that wouldn’t cut paper, and a dog who was prone to nip and matted to the skin.

My bet is that she provided her with top-notch professional equipment because it’s easier to do a good job when you have the right tools. She let her practice on the calmest, best-natured dog she could find, probably one of their own pets, and gradually she encouraged her to try harder and harder skills, helping her when she needed help and stepping back out of the way when she didn’t.

The same thing applies to reading and literature.  Give a child inferior equipment and shoddy material and the result won’t be a master’s degree in English literature.

. . . we have less mispronounced words that[sic]  heavy readers tend to have.

What she is saying here is that neither she nor Joe nor the kids, none of them, are heavy readers.

Yeah, we know.

What follows is just sort of astonishing.

Her argument is basically this.

Science and history are both big subjects. There’s a lot of material to master. It’s really hard to prioritize, so fuck it. We just ignore them both.

For one thing, “Adam and Eve” weren’t real and are not historical figures. They are religious myths.

For another thing, in both disciplines, there are basic concepts.  Take science, for example.  How about beginning with the scientific method?  What about learning the difference between the word “theory” as used in popular speech and the same word used in science? In fact, begin by combining a bit of history and learn about how the early scientists began to explore the world and figured out how to utilize the scientific method.

There. I just put together a whole unschooling lesson that involves vocabulary, reading, science and history. Analyze a study or two, some simple ones, and you’ve added math.

Do that little teensy bit, and you’ll come away with a greater ability to determine how to sift through the stuff you find on Facebook and discard the bullshit that you’re currently swallowing from sites like Infowars and those silly mothering sites.

And then you might be better at assessing risk.


45 thoughts on “Dumb and Dumber”

  1. “There is a “d” on the end of the word. Really, they are free. Go ahead and use one. Please.”

    I’m sure Nicole saw her share of Ds when she was in public school


  2. you expect more from a lazy ass who thinks kicking each other in the nuts actually teaches anything.


  3. This infuriates me. Educate your damn children. Send them to school, because you lack the intelligence and discipline to do it yourself.

    I had to chuckle at her snide retort the other day about taking her kids to visit the Mayans if her children ever decided to study the culture. Nicole, I homeschool. That IS what we do. Do you know what that requires? It requires birth certificates and then passports for each child. It requires parents who worked hard to afford those types of luxuries for our children. It requires parents who don’t sit around all day smoking weed while they pontificate about memes. It requires sacrifice.

    Even if you had the means and ability Nicole, you wouldn’t do that. Do you know why? Because you are selfish. You would never spend that amount of money or time to improve your children’s lives. How do I know? How many FREE zoos and museums do you take your children to? How many cultural events? How many LDS funded activities – like Scouts? None. You don’t do anything for those children except poop them out into existence. And even then, you’re not always successful, because, SELFISH.


  4. OMG. She is just…wow. My son as a kindergartner (4 years ago) had a much wider vocabulary and grasp on the English language than any of those dolts now. Before he started Kinder, I considered home schooling (actual home schooling, not the garbage Nic “does” for her kids), but I decided not to for many reasons, one being I didn’t want to teach him the absolute minimum and have him ridiculed as he got older for not knowing what public or private school kids know. And I’m glad I made the decision. He is the brightest and most inquisitive child I’ve ever known (yes, I am a bit biased because I am his mom). I hurt for her children because they aren’t getting a true home school experience because Nic knows she can’t give them what they need to be truly successful. Sad really.


  5. The most disturbing thing is Nicole’s reply when asked about GED’s and diplomas. She says that her children just really aren’t interested. Those kids don’t know what they want yet. By the time they figure it out, their options are going to be so limited. Who does that to their kids? Be a parent for once and do some parenting, Nicole.


  6. The Nauglers aren’t doing their kids any favors. Educational neglect is clear and CPS doesn’t even have to work to document it. Nicole does it for them.

    The kids like not having to sit in a classroom, even just a home classroom, I’m sure. But the day will come when they will be embarrassed by their lack of education, in the presence of their peers.

    Need I point out whose fault that will be?


  7. PS: Nicole and Joe, the only reason you “unschool” is because you’re both lazy as fuck and can’t be bothered.

    No one is fooled, not CPS, not the family court judge nor the GAL. The reason you have an open, ongoing CPS case is because you keep providing proof of your willful neglect. When they take the kids the next time, nothing except aging out will return them to your custody.


  8. Those kids don’t know what they want yet. By the time they figure it out, their options are going to be so limited.

    So true. The other aspect they miss out on is socialization with peers their own age (not just their siblings), creating friendship bonds over shared interest. I know plenty of home school families who attend home school “classes” so to speak which allows their kids to socialize and make friends. I wish for the future of those kids, Nic would take on a more active roll in their home schooling. But sadly, she won’t.


  9. Nicole is the last person who should be writing about unschooling. She has no fucking clue. Unschooling is about exploring the world, it’s about creating an endless amount of opportunities. What fucking opportunities do her kids have? Building shitty forts on their trash strewn land. Trips to Walmart and Lowe’s. Monthly visits to Golden Corral.

    It’s embarrassing to read what she writes. She is clueless. Unschoolers do participate in classes, unschoolers even take tests! It’s merely a form of homeschooling. It’s not about doing nothing.

    As far as stating that her children aren’t interested in getting a GED, neither are mine. GEDs aren’t necessary for college. I’ve been over this again but I’ll repeat it. In order for a homeschooled student to go to college they need a few things. They need a transcript. Parents create these using the subjects the students have studied in their high school years. Along with the transcript the college will want proof of legal homeschooling. In my state we submit paperwork annually and receive a letter from the district annually. I file those away so that I have them when needed. The child will also need ACT or SAT scores for university admittance. For community college they can take the accuplacer exam or the equivalent at that particular community college. These exams will determine if the child is adequately prepared for college level work. None of the above exams are that difficult for students who have studied. There are loads of prep books on the market. We usually buy a new one each year just to make sure we are on target for college preparedness. All children should have the opportunity to go to college and it’s a parents job to make sure they are receiving an adequate education to make sure that happens. No not every child needs to go to college but they should be prepared if they have the desire.

    As far as vocabulary, pick up a damn book. Use the libraries. Expand your horizons. If the kids are going to be stuck on the shitstead all day at least they could have some damn decent literature.

    And Sally, please don’t grade my post. I know my grammar and sentence structure is not the best. If it makes you feel better my kids often correct me. And I’m totally okay with that.


  10. Okay. I was home schooled and unscheduled.

    That’s not how it worked. That’s not how any of it worked.

    We had to be taught the basics, and my mother nearly killed herself teaching us. Reading. We had the Great Classics and had to read them. I liked them, but then I read the encyclopedia for fun and my mother actually had to supervise research reports to make sure I didn’t start researching moths and get sidetracked by the moon landing.

    Math was workbooks for me. Always workbooks. Always. My brother could not do math out of workbooks, so my mother would take his lessons outside and have him do them on the driveway with chalk. Or else she’d draw his favorite video game characters and to “beat the level” he had to solve the problem. It was probably good that I could do self directed learning rather well because he needed a lot of one on one attention from her.

    Unschooling was things like using historical novels for history lessons, or blocks and bricks to help understand fractions. And we learned.

    Also, I suspect that the reason Mrs. N. thinks things like science and history are the same lessons every year is because they’re using ABEKA textbooks to an extent, which iirc are identical grade to grade, save for the size of the vocabulary. The American History books for 4th and 7th grade used the SAME PICTURES on the SAME PAGES.

    But there were two major problems. The first was that neither of us learned the discipline you get from a classroom, and that’s been an ongoing issue. And I’d dwell on that if the second problem weren’t much bigger.

    The second problem was that for my high-school years, our little family unit fell the fuck apart. Dad went way off the rails and Mom completely checked out and went back to college. Everything was chaotic and schoolwork became non existent. I tried to enroll in the ACE workbook system (fuck that system BTW) but finally had to go get my GED through a community college because I just couldn’t handle the chaos and do schoolwork. My brother had the same issue, only much earlier in his schooling. We bottomed out in my tenth grade year; that was his sixth. He really paid for it. To this day my mother apologizes for it.

    The Ns? They look like they’re at that bottom out stage. This is not schooling. Schooling is workbooks and structure. Even in unschooling, there’s structure. And if the parents are checked out? There is no schooling. Peroid. My Mother was superwoman for ten years and did a decent job. Afterwards she burned out due to other factors. In a school when a teacher burns out you hire a new teacher. In homeschooling when your mom burns out, you’re fucked.


  11. As a card carrying, bible toting Christian, wven I was taken aback that she threw the Adam and Eve reference in there. Number one, she cannot seriously expect people to believe that she acts the way she does and is in amy position to educate her children about theology. Number 2, I do not want my kids getting a creationist version of science at their school. Present my kids with theories about how life began, and I will worry about their spiritual life. If my kid wants to grow up to have a job in the science field, I prefer that he be taught real science, thanks.


  12. To this day I still remember my English teacher playing the opening operetta for Candide, the musical with music by Leonard Bernstein based on the writings of Voltaire. It was our introduction to Voltaire’s Candide and why it was something worth studying. It opened my mind in SO many ways that honestly affect me today still. I can guarantee you my parents would have never known about this. They could have never opened my mind to those ideas. But they wanted me to have them so they didn’t fear me leaving their control so I could learn new things. I am eternally grateful. And equally saddened by the lack of opportunity provided to those kids. Its an utter disgrace.


  13. Spending time with the children? Schooling them on what? Social media addiction? How to run her business for her while she wallows in hatred online? How to create a toxic environment? I hope she was so busy being a contentious bitch online that she ignored them. IMO, it’s in their best interest.

    Nicole spent the day using a sock account to peruse the pages and comments of people that have her blocked or she has blocked. She had no shame when she, one assumes, accidentally, posted with her Nicole Celeste account. She was caught again , however, and I assume she needed “damage control” and so quickly drummed up a BLH post pimping out her granddaughter and then juxtaposed that pimp post against a “woe is me” I’m so devastated by my recent tragic event a mere 3 weeks ago.

    So emotionally devastated that she spent a goodly portion of the day fencing online with her self proclaimed trolls on what she calls a troll page in which she “needed” to use a sock/unblocked account in order to see what these “trolls” were discussing. Basically she stalked people who have her blocked, and came on someone else’s page to harass both the page admin and others.

    My question. Her newest (self or supporter or sock or whatever) hate and harassment pages, I won’t name any of them, not satisfying her needs? Her own public pages just not scratching her itch? Insulting the military and police on her public pages and fighting with commenters who disagree isn’t enough for her?

    Please. So transparent and manipulative, imo. So very contentious, imo. So full of it, imo, there aren’t enough white buckets in the world to contain her bullshit.


  14. The Naugler kids don’t know what they have missed in a proper education.
    While their peers have been getting up every morning, going to an organized school every day the Naugler kids have stayed home doing what ever…getting farther and farther behind.
    I’m betting the older Naugler kids know it too.


  15. Complicit educational neglect! What a disgusting crime.

    …Pretty sure those children have to buy their own books, anyhow. So which are they going to spend their hard-earned money on, a Percy Jackson novel or a scholastic textbook?

    Or perhaps they’ll decide to spend their money on 99-cent trash, or ice-cream instead, because they’ve been taught all about “finances” and “saving money”, unschool-style.

    After all, “Daddy will split the ice-cream with me. I’ll just have to count my pennies right then and there, so that deadbeat doesn’t short me!” #unschoollife


  16. Oh, and.

    Speaking of their unschooling finance-lessons. It’s pretty clear that the GAL probably spoke-up for the children, in persuading Joe and Nicole to either give them an allowance or work opportunities and shop tasks, some time ago. And what the children have been allowed to possess has slowly increased since their return. Because if I recall, Nicole shared with the internet, that they explain to the children that Mom and Dad can have certain things, but they cannot, because it is Mom and Dad’s money – not theirs. And that they, as parents, did not have to share with their children. Only, it was even in the case of food and standard amenities that the parents would possess, utilize, or consume in the kid’s faces, almost out of spite, it seemed. …Especially in Joe’s case; it’s like he enjoyed the power trip – his one and only position of power.

    Oh! But now, those kids are allowed to have bicycles, after having previously, specifically, been denied them. Wow, what a compromise, Joe – bicycles?! I bet he feels he was really nice for allowing that. What a POS. They are allowed to have snacks too now, or other items, if they use their own money… Kayaks, even! Despite having nowhere to store them. I can only hope that GAL keeps pushing, slowly but surely.

    BTW, their whole principle on not-sharing, weird AF.


  17. I’ll admit I asked her about GED’s/ diplomas. She replied back about colleges. I wasn’t thinking about her kids going to college, I was wondering how the heck they were going to get a job. Most places in my state now ask for a GED, a high school diploma or higher. I can’t even home school my child without a GED or high school diploma.


  18. Oh, gawd, I shouldnt have read it! Nooo what have I done?!

    “Whose version of history do we teach? …Of course schools here teach the version of history that shows us in the most favorable light, but it doesn’t mean it’s correct.”

    You dumb bitch. I think you mean, perspective. Say it with me, p-e-r-s-p-e-c-t-i-v-e. Perspective has nothing to do with being right or wrong.

    Then, there is something called time. It is used to measure history, and existence as a whole, past, future, present. For instance, the earth is 4.5 billion years old. And whether you take Physical Anthropology, or World History II Asian Perspective, it IS CORRECT. So LEARN IT! TEACH IT! For fuck sake! …No, seriously. You and Joe obviously care a great deal for the act of fucking. So, for fuck’s sake, give your children a chance to escape the cycle of poverty! I.cant.even.right.now.


  19. Retrieved from: http://blessedlittlehomestead.com/unschooling-is-homeschooling/

    August 11th; In reply to a comment, Blessed Little Homestead says:

    “There are several organizations you can get diplomas through and GEDs are acceptable. Most colleges now are familiar enough to Homeschooling it’s something they work with. But Jacob is our only graduated child and he said he didn’t want one, I know Quinten won’t either. Abigail is 14 and hasn’t stated a desire for one. Issac might want to go to college but is undecided.”

    This is it. I’m out. My anxiety is through the roof. They are stealing futures – perfectly salvageable future lives and prosperity, free from dire poverty.


  20. Oh my dear sweet Jesus. Talk about leaving your kids without options. Those children are so far behind right now,it’s going to take everything in them to pull out of it, if they can. I can’t imagine hobbling my children’s future because of laziness. I want the next generations coming up to be smarter than me. When you know better, you do better. Education is power.


  21. Most places in my state now ask for a GED, a high school diploma or higher.

    My BIL failed the GED at least twice and finally gave up. He spent the rest of his life lying about it. When he filled in a job application, he just put HS on it. Nobody ever checked.


  22. The first was that neither of us learned the discipline you get from a classroom, and that’s been an ongoing issue. And I’d dwell on that if the second problem weren’t much bigger.

    And this. Seriously, this. Read this post, the whole thing. THIS is what I try to tell people about the supposed idyllic world of homeschooling. It’s not idyllic. For every horrible thing you can bring up about public school, there is an equally serious drawback to homeschooling. And this person absolutely nails it.

    ABEKA curriculum sucks dirt, BTW. Truly sucks. The ACE stuff is probably worse, but that’s like deciding if you prefer to die of bubonic plague or ebola.

    While we didn’t fall apart while homeschooling, we did find the whole discipline thing to be problematic, and it remained a problem into Nathan’s adulthood. He overcame it, but it was a struggle. Regardless of how impartial I tried to be or wanted to be, I was his mother first and his teacher second, and that affected everything. In the real world, your boss does not give a fuck if you have a headache, or if you like to take extra time organizing things in a certain way. He expects you to do your job anyway. And bosses are often not fair. Life isn’t fair. Homeschooling for us was in many ways artificial because everything was fair (or as fair as we could make it be).

    Anyway, READ THIS comment by Interested Lurker.


  23. It is terrifying to think that a woman who doesn’t know the difference between algebra and division thinks her children are educated because they can wash dogs and write “coherent sentences”.


  24. I’m feeling somewhat charitable, so here is an unschooling lesson for the N’s. Fewer is used for things that can be counted. Less is used for things that cannot be counted. Example: Fewer mispronounced words may lead to less embarrassment.

    @ Interested Lurker, exactly! Even and especially the last two sentences of your comment.

    @ Lisa, until I fell down the Naugler rabbit hole two years ago, I didn’t know about doxing, sock accounts, etc. It never crossed my mind that a mother of eleven would make it her life’s work to spend all day online, scouring social media for any content related to her, and picking fights with complete strangers, while proclaiming herself harassed and stalked. Or that there are people stupid enough to believe her BS.


  25. I think she maybe just forgot to tell us what they “use to consider themselves eclectic home schoolers… :p That’s the kind of thing my mom would say to help me remember grammar, and yes. I was homeschooled.


  26. I hate the public school system. Hate. I would use a stronger word for my feelings but I have never found one mean enough. Hate will have to do.

    If you have kids and don’t want to enroll them in school, you really should find an equal or greater substitute. If that means researching the local school’s graduation requirements and using that as a guideline for what you (or a hired tutor) teach, then great. The Department Of Education has lots of information, use it. Test your kids. If they don’t know the material go over it again or use different resources that might explain it better.

    Diplomas themselves aren’t especially important but if you want one the HSLDA has them for sale for about $40 I think. If a homeschooler wants to go to college what they may need more is a grade transcript. Templates for these are out there. College might require an entrance exam or SAT or something, which if the homeschool student knows their stuff the test shouldn’t be too much trouble.

    Homeschooling done right is an amazing thing. I’m not sure what is going on at the Nauglers’ but I doubt those parents are good teachers. I hope the kids grow up and prove me wrong.


  27. Fuck Nicole! She is a disgusting, selfish, toothless evil bitch that needs a hair brush sent to her, she obviously was too poor or lazy to buy one and gave up at some point. Dreads is the same lazy ass excuse as no school, no gardening, no water catchment or no beds for children…Not a priority this year. The list goes on. Boo fucking hoo, pimping our your dead baby for monies, nasty bitch, shame on her. I just can’t even look, but then I can’t turn away. I get why she thinks her version of school is ok, she thinks if she shits in a field, it is ok because cows do it without a permit. I wish I didn’t read her no schooling manifesto…I lost brain cells.


  28. Joe and Nicole want their kids to fail. Their words mean nothing as they lie every time they open their mouths. Their actions state their intentions far more plainly. The kids will have to worse off than Joe or Nicole or those two reproducers would not have power over their kids and the reproducer egos would be unable to handle it. If the kids have no experience with anything outside of that dump their parents have made for them then they will have no notion of what they could do with their lives. Even if they use Wikipedia to discover the trivia that seems to be advanced learning to Nicole, they would have no idea how to function in order to realize career or life possibilities. The Naugler version of education is an aberrant atrocity.


  29. Has anyone ever considered that going to school might not benefit those kids?

    They are saddled with so many social handicaps already that forcing them into an institutionalized setting might be more than the lot of them could bear.

    Maybe some of the younger ones could be helped, but the older/middle ones already seem like a lost cause.

    I feel sorry for them because they are obviously not being educated. But at a certain point it just seems like it’s too late.

    I just can’t see them thriving in a school setting.

    Also, consider how their lack of hygiene and appropriate clothing would set them apart from their peers. Then add in their mindset and lack of social skills. And the fact that they are so far behind educationally.

    I just can’t see a small rural school district being able to undo all the Nauglerizing that’s already been perpetrated on the children.


  30. I used to homeschool 4 of my 6 kids for 3 years. It was exhausting! We were kind of broke because I stayed home to school the kids and tend to the house, I felt like if my husband was going to go to work to support our family, the least I could do was gice me a clean home and smart kids out of respect for him, myself and our kids. Anyway what I mean by tending to our home was, I had a large garden planted from seed, I processed all the harvest either by canning or freezing. I sewed clothes and toys, I cloth diapered, I breastfed, I hand made 80% of our curriculum, I cooked meals from scratch, made fresh bread daily, we did science experiments together as a family, went on multiple field trips to museum, orchestra hall, the theater and so much more! I guess what I am trying to get at is, their utterly laziness and disregard for their children’s future pisses me off. I am so sick of her saying everything is “uncschooling”, so and so brushed a goat! #unschooling. No. No, no, just stop. Sorry had to vent.


  31. I was homeschooled for middle school for a couple of years with extracurriculars- competitive stuff that required traveling. However, I did return to public school and went on to do AP courses and got a science degree from Penn State. I did have to get used to the socialization thing again though in 9th grade. I’m incredibly introverted and will admit I struggled with that.

    We used Calvert School. They send you everything. The lessons are planned already, and it was excellent. I did, in fact, learn far more than I would have at my public school because Calvert had material in areas that weren’t taught in my district such as grammar (sentence diagramming is HARD, wow), world geography, and art history.

    I had to write an essay at the end about my favorite painting I’d studied- Princesse de Broglie. My sister and I visited my aunt in NYC every summer, and I got to see it at the Met in person. For composition, I chose to research and write about how the first stained glass windows were made. That was 13 years ago. I traveled to France for the first time last October and got to see that very cathedral. I can’t describe the incredible satisfaction and joy I got out of those moments. I’ll never forget it. That is true student-inspired learning, in my opinion.

    I, too, recall novels I HATED because they were so challenging. ‘Kidnapped’ by R.L. Stevenson comes to mind. But if I just stuck to reading only what I liked I wouldn’t have learned a thing. You need motivation and encouragement to learn. So it requires dedication on the parent’s part as well.

    Whether her children ever want to attend college or even get their diploma or GED is a moot point because Nicole has already set them up for failure. I’m sure there’s a fair amount of brainwashing that takes place as well. And I’m assuming they only interact with each other, so there isn’t any positive inspiration from peers. If they were to see a friend reading a challenging book or doing a math problem that they couldn’t do, it might spark an interest. But they’ll never have those opportunities. It’s heartbreaking. Public school is free. They would get lunch (maybe breakfast as well. I don’t know what their county does). And they take it all for granted. No, public school is not perfect. But why rob your kids of that opportunity that so many around the world don’t have?


  32. Interested Lurker wrote, …I suspect that the reason Mrs. N. thinks things like science and history are the same lessons every year is because they’re using ABEKA textbooks…

    It doesn’t appear that Mr or Mrs N use any textbooks but they sure do like YouTube, Instragram and Facebook.

    Can one create transcripts with those accredited tools?


  33. Homeschooling done right is an amazing thing. I’m not sure what is going on at the Nauglers’ but I doubt those parents are good teachers. I hope the kids grow up and prove me wrong.

    It might be a few years. A diploma or even a GED is something to be proud of. They also help in the real world!
    Nicole says:


    BlessedLittleHomestead August 11, 2017 |
    There are several organizations you can get diplomas through and GEDs are acceptable. Most colleges now are familiar enough to Homeschooling it’s something they work with. But [J] is our only graduated child and he said he didn’t want one, I know [Q] won’t either. [A] is 14 and hasn’t stated a desire for one. [I] might want to go to college but is undecided.

    Sorry, but highly intelligent children would want a high school diploma or the GED.


  34. Very highly rated and not religious. Excellent choice.

    I had friends that used Abecka (not sure how to spell that?) and I remember seeing their math textbooks and it seemed like a very different learning method. There was another girl who told me she did “relaxed homeschooling”. I remember asking my mom what that was. I got the response “basically you learn math by going to the store. So nothing”. Haha.

    But Calvert is really excellent. Rigorous and highly structured. I mailed the tests to the physical Calvert School in Baltimore through their advisory teacher service. So it was nearly seamless in going back to public school (I live in Maryland, so I don’t know about other states). I’m sure it’s even better now with additional online tutorials. Last I saw, they’re no longer affiliated with the actual Calvert School and now go up through 12th grade as well.

    For anyone looking to homeschool, it’s an exceptional program. You can add courses on the side for religious studies or art or field trips- whatever you want. My family had concerns about various aspects of homeschooling in general, but it ended up being really great. My brother went on to do it as well.


  35. I really do apologize for going a bit off-topic from your original post. But just to add…

    I was just looking up reviews for Calvert. I’ve never read any before. I was surprised at the number of negative comments. Then started seeing the key phrases…”politically correct propaganda”, the science was “incorrect”, history was wrong, Composition was too much writing expected for their child, too much ‘busy work’, and on and on.

    Do these people willingly buy a secular homeschool program then post horrible reviews everywhere and complain it’s not religious?? Yeah, school involves writing and practice and more practice. That’s how you learn. So I guess it’s ‘busy work’ if that’s how you want to define it. Holy Toledo. Sorry, it just pisses me off. Tip to self: next time google “secular homeschool reviews”. Yikes!


  36. They would get lunch (maybe breakfast as well. I don’t know what their county does).

    Their county has the free breakfast and lunch program. There was also a free breakfast and lunch program over summer break. It was available to every child under the age 18 maybe and it wasn’t restricted to public schooled children. It also wasn’t income based. BUT…they didn’t provide transportation to and from the meal locations. They had the potential to get their kids 100 nutritious meals a week, absolutely free. They could have saved some money and all these parents needed to do was provide transportation.


  37. On the subject of learning classroom discipline, I don’t get it. School is such an unnatural environment anyway, how would the crowd control methods used by teachers of 20-30 kids be useful in “real life?” I’ve never, at any job or social event, had to stop talking when the lights were turned off, or had to go from activity to activity in a line with my peers, or was told I couldn’t go to the bathroom or get a drink of water when I needed to. Sometimes I think that our culture is too invested in teaching kids to be kids and not enough in helping them to be people.

    As for the Naugler kids, I too have been a bit afraid that if they were put in the local school it might be a bad thing. The family’s reputation would follow them, not to mention my suspicion that they’re all nose-blind to what people with no plumbing tend to smell like. Add to it that they all seem to not have too many changes of clothes (other kids WILL notice that sort of thing) and you’ve got a recipe for trouble.

    Oh, and here’s a link to high school graduation requirements for Kentucky –


  38. And here’s a link to a H-U-G-E 728 page pdf that lists Kentucky academic standards in detail. with something like this it would be easy to build lesson plans around what is being taught in the public schools so kids could be on equal grounds with the non-homeschooled folk. I did that with my (now adult) kids and it worked out pretty well.



  39. Repeat! says, “Sorry, but highly intelligent children would want a high school diploma or the GED.”

    Lol, I don’t think you have to be highly intelligent to want a GED. In fact, one needn’t any intelligence at all to want a GED. Rather, just common sense, basic logic, or a firm grip on reality!
    The question is, what does it mean when the majority of your children neither want nor care for a high-school diploma, or even a GED? Parental incompetence.


  40. how would the crowd control methods used by teachers of 20-30 kids be useful in “real life?”

    They aren’t. But you’re missing the whole point. What is useful in real life is understanding that your boss does not care that your Aunt Susie came visit unexpectedly this afternoon and you haven’t seen her in four years and no, you cannot have the afternoon off. Or that you ran a low-grade fever last night and feel like shit this morning – he still wants that project completed by 2 p.m. Or that your co-worker is a complete asshole and does sneaky underhanded things and you have to find a way to work around that, and that “telling Mom” won’t help. You also learn that quitting your job every time you consider your boss to have been unfair will lead to being permanently unemployed.

    Furthermore, you’ve obviously never worked for UPS. My husband did for a while and he most definitely was told when he could use the bathroom and when he could get a drink of water.


  41. Lol, I don’t think you have to be highly intelligent to want a GED.

    I was being a bit snarky. They are always saying how highly intelligent their children are. Almost as if their genes and educational methods created these children to be far superior to everybody else on Earth. They are so smart they can learn anything they need or want to learn in like 2 weeks! (Nicole had mentioned something similar, but I added some snark.)

    Anyways, most normal children want that diploma or GED. It’s a stepping stone to greater things. The fact that Nicole claims the three eldest don’t want one speaks volumes.


  42. If homeschooling is your choice, that’s fine. It is not mine.
    This is my problem right now with homeschooling. My state is proposing vouchers for homeschooled children with ZERO oversight. The money can be used for whatever they want, about $6000 per child. Just 6k they can pay rent with, buy fireworks with, or buy a chainsaw with, just whatever strikes their fancy.
    Money taken away from my kids public school & no accountability. If we are giving public money to private or homeschooled kids, all I ask is that they have some of the same requirements that my kids do. Either testing, proof of work, something that means they aren’t just teaching their kids that crushing un-ripened walnuts is “science class”.
    I will say the friends I have who do homeschool, & do it very well, don’t want this. They want to continue doing school their way & I respect their decision.
    I wonder if NN & JN would think they would be “whores of the state” if that money was offered to them.
    I think not…


  43. I meant to return to this subject sooner but life and an ever-shortening memory got in the way.

    If an adult finds a job where there are absurd restrictions on his behavior, he can find another job if he wants, kids don’t have that choice. If an adult is being harassed by a coworker he can go to the boss about it, or the human relations department, or even the police depending on the severity of the harassment. He can even quit and get a different job. Kids have none of those choices. As for getting work done vs doing things that aren’t work related, that’s just life all over. It can be taught outside of a classroom.


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