Dangerous

statists

Nicole obviously does not bother reading the shit she posts.

The headline reads:

US Government Concerned That Homeschool Parents. . .

Only, the article itself has nothing whatever to do with the US government.  It’s about the United Kingdom.  We separated from the UK, oh, back in the last quarter of the 18th century.

Anonymous really needs to do a better job editing.  And Nicole just blithely hits “share” without bothering to read because the headline says what she wants to believe.

And she makes this generalized statement that

. . .statists think teaching your children to question the government is dangerous.

No, Nicole. “Statists” (whatever the hell that is – seems to me it’s anyone who doesn’t hate the entirety of all forms of government no matter what ) don’t think that at all.

It’s not about teaching children to question the government.  It’s about what you’re doing, which is indoctrinating your children to absolutely abhor all forms of authority from any source except you and/or Joe.

I suspect you would classify me as a “statist.” I am politically so liberal and lean so far to the left that if you push me even slightly, I’ll fall over. But I question government regularly. I want to see government be the best it can be. And we taught our child to question everything.

The comments are priceless. “One day we will take back our country.”  And Jim Miller, the sage, replies, “Take it back where?”

27 thoughts on “Dangerous”

  1. This is terrifying.

    These kids stand no chance in the real world… I pray they escape and see different worldviews.

    If they don’t they’ll follow in their father’s footsteps of being unable to hold even a fast food job…

  2. Take our country back? To what? Rampant vaccine preventable disease? Whites only bathrooms?
    Or will it be all of the above, with a heaping side of theocracy? A complete and total loss of everyone’s rights?
    Women forced to leave jobs, marry young and pump out perfect white Christian babies? Will we start stoning women who are raped? Make sure all the women are covered head to toe?
    Yeah, I’m not interested in what these people envision as “our country”. I’ll keep what we have now, warts and all.

  3. So she adds this.

    It is, of course, laughable. I am not an “anarchist.” And I don’t live by “rules.” Ask anyone who knows me. Read my stuff. See if I am not perfectly capable of telling anyone at all to “piss off” if they ask me to do something I consider immoral.

    Law-abiding citizens are not mindless robots, like Nicole thinks. They are not sitting in their homes like so many Stepford wives waiting for the next computer program update to tell them what to do and think.

    In fact, I think a good case could be made that that description would fit the Nauglers far better than it does the rest of us. They believe every single anti-government meme or article they ever saw. Nicole posts crap from the most dubious tin-foil-hat web sites and sources you can imagine, and as I illustrated above, she doesn’t even read them.

    So Nicole: Piss off. 🙂

  4. Seems to be a rally to appeal to the koolaid drinkers, as in Jonestown. The free thinkers have already left the building. Piss off..yep..

  5. If someone asked me to do something immoral or unethical, I’ll do what I’ve always done; say no.
    See, my public school education gave me the tools to defy authority. Even my own parents.
    Especially my own parents.

  6. The grossest intellectual laziness imaginable, in my humble opinion. A quick perusal of whatever little cartoon caption (currently and popularly misidentified as memes) she can post so that she can justify her purported lifestyle and belief system to herself, or maybe others, I don’t know and frankly don’t care. Heck, she doesn’t even qualify as a slacktivist. I have really tried to be open in my opinion of her and her hubby, but they make it so hard. When they preach one thing and do another? When she admits that she posts things without even reading them or looking at them, what am I to think? When I see no generosity of spirit or action? All I see from their postings day in and day out is anger, hatred, envy, destruction, self absorption, delusion, denial. It is disheartening.

  7. “Heck, she doesn’t even qualify as a slacktivist.”

    That would require consistency. Eventually, cold weather or running out of mystery dented rusting cans forces the adults into action.

  8. One at a time their own kids will tell them to “piss off”. Once they grow up to realize what their parents taught them was paranoid bullshit and what they didn’t bother to teach them was what they needed to survive.

    They don’t believe in anything. They are just trying to make it look that way. They are desperate to make a lifetime of irresponsible choices look like something good. Nothing ever stays good once these two get a hold of it.

    Their life ain’t perfect or pretty. She just wastes a lot of facebook time to make it look that way.

    It ain’t working. Give it up Nicole.

  9. “Blogging” her family’s journey is her excuse for untold hours spent on the web. I see it as her escape from the grim realities of her existence and an avenue to project her anger and frustrations upon her perceived enemy of that day. She also seems to fancy herself as a “writer”. She won’t stop because she has been financially rewarded, and it gives her the outlet she needs, imho. Drumming up new battles seems to excite her, spur her on and feed the need. It is too bad healthier options are not chosen, but I believe the financial crisis and rewards are too great.
    [Admin: sorry, that paragraph removed]

  10. FB refugee,
    I agree with what you’ve said. It does seem, contrary to her claims, that she really does want to have a steady stream of critics she can righteously battle against. She has the power to shut it all down by going private but she wants to have an excuse to be online instead of consistently engaging with and caring for her children and facing the reality of the life she is forcing them to live. She desperately needs some sort of treatment or intervention and there is just no hope that she will get it. So sad.

  11. Sick Spiral, It seems to be akin to an online gaming addiction, apparently acted out in real life situations at times, imho.
    My choice would be to end this chapter entitled, ‘trolls and trolling’. The author can then progress to a new and more entertaining chapter for her readers. Quit trying to defend oneself against every critic. It is a waste of precious time and you are losing your audience. It is boring.
    Also, if I were in her shoes, and longing for a long hot shower, not easily attained with solar type water heating, I would take my brood to a local YMCA or community center and enroll in one of the many low cost programs such a swimming or swimming lessons, frequently available for “homeschoolers”. Great winter opportunity for the kids, and long hot showers, steam rooms etc., are available for little to no cost. We aren’t all monster trolls, FWIW.

  12. Agree with you, FB refugee. And what appears to be constant projected battle with authority. Whatever defines authority, in that mind. It’s a feud, internally and externally, of control. “These people are serious. They actually think they can control my life.” Immaturity that didn’t grow wiser with the years. Looking for the chest thumping feat, “I fought the authority, and I won!” And control….there could be a whole other blog topic on the webs of control and who is wanting to control who. Lack of control. Rights and righteous. Disingenuous. And Sick Spiral, I agree greatly with “It does seem, contrary to her claims, that she really does want to have a steady stream of critics she can righteously battle against.” With exception to “righteously” unless righteously=control.

  13. NN has always done this on a multitude of platforms, she used to fight on the diaper forums.

    She was eventually chased off by mods, but came back under various incarnations (With or without Joe) and caused trouble by harassing members.

    She’s always looking for a fight, ask anyone who’s spoken to her on politics or been forced to listen to her rants in facebook groups.

  14. The Cloth Diapering word has groups, forums, pages, and everything else you can think of!

    CDing is not only a parenting choice, but it’s a hobby for some of us to collect patterns and HTF (Hard to Find) diapers.

  15. Diaper Mom, Thanks for the insight, did not know that. Appears this is indeed an ingrained long standing pattern.
    Also did not know about the extent of the “CD” world, hahaha. No thanks, fingers hurting with the memories of putting up and taking down lines and lines of frozen cloth diapers as a child. (dryer was too expensive to run that much.)
    Jack, I’ve had that same idea.

  16. @truthisawhisper – GooGooDolls wrote, ” And what appears to be constant projected battle with authority. Whatever defines authority, in that mind. It’s a feud, internally and externally, of control.”

    This is very true. [Admin: edited to remove mention of business. That’s a no-no subject here.]

    Nor should we overlook Joe’s contributions to this dynamic. He’s also against authority figures but they’re all over the place threatening lawsuits. Not interested in the law or law enforcement unless it’s to their benefit (maybe). Ditto for road maintenance. If that is a private road, then they are and the other neighbors are responsible for the costs associated with its upkeep and that means the ENTIRE private portion of the road, not just the road footage of their property.

    [Amin: edited with two paragraphs removed.]

  17. truthisawhisper-TheGooGooDolls,
    Ha, thought it would go without saying that the “righteously” meant righteous only in her own mind and I guess Joe’s and the minds of the bewildering number of credulous supporters.

    FB Refugee,
    With her distorted thinking I just can’t see her enrolling in or joining anything even though it would make sense. She’s not going to sign up for something where she’ll have to follow rules and be subjected to any kind of authority.

    Plus, she needs to make up her mind (or keep her story straight) about whether she’s too cold in the winter or overheated. When people were worried about them not insulating the cabin, especially right over the kids’ sleeping space, they claimed the cabin gets, if anything, too hot.

    Also I’m thinking she’s got access to hot water at the salon. She could get something like this and then she (and the kids) could use it to take some nice hot baths while they’re in town. http://www.amazon.com/Inflatable-Bath-Tub-Adult-Accessory/dp/B00Y9BWJ4G

    Something else to remember is solar heated water isn’t their only obstacle to having a long, hot shower at the “homestead”. Even if they get a better water heating system set up than they currently have, they have to contend with the fact that they haul in all their water so it’s too precious a commodity for anyone to have a long shower, hot or not. That’s how things are though when you’re “livin’ the dream”.

  18. I wonder what they were like before they had the internet as a place to wage battles.

    Also, Nicole loves to fight mommy wars so I’m not surprised she found a way to be sanctimonious even in the midst of other moms who were generally in agreement with her about cloth diapering. There must be a terrible void inside of her that she is struggling to fill with all her one upsmanship and attention seeking extremism. There’s nothing wrong with having opinions and views that are outside of the mainstream but feeling driven to persuade everyone else that your views are right and theirs are wrong is so arrogant and dysfunctional.

    She would really do better if she would spend more time and effort just living out her beliefs and much less time online broadcasting them and arguing about them. It’s terribly cliche but actions do speak louder than words.

  19. Plus, she needs to make up her mind (or keep her story straight) about whether she’s too cold in the winter or overheated. When people were worried about them not insulating the cabin, especially right over the kids’ sleeping space, they claimed the cabin gets, if anything, too hot.

    That is probably exactly correct. There are 13 human beings in that tiny cabin, each one a little furnace at almost 100 degrees. Add a wood stove, and the heat would be enough to run you out of there. I can see very good logic in leaving the roof uninsulated so that some of the warm air rises and is dissipated.

  20. “There’s nothing wrong with having opinions and views that are outside of the mainstream but feeling driven to persuade everyone else that your views are right and theirs are wrong is so arrogant and dysfunctional”-Sad Spiral

    Absolutely! And really, it’s not so sensational or special having views and opinions outside the blurred lines of mainstream. Not today, maybe 40 years ago. It is arrogance, feeling driven to convince everyone your opinions/views are superior. Dysfunctional, that it matters.

  21. The Nauglers always have PLANs, always. Those PLANs become Plans, then plans, then, nothing. They have always mentioned their PLANs in their facebook pages, their blogs. They spend more time PLANnig than doing.

    Then they complain that their PLANs do not come to fruition because they are being harassed and bullied. What they do not seem to realize is that PLANs are ideas to be worked on if they want them to come true. This is not in the Nauglers MOU or POV or PLAN.

  22. ” I can see very good logic in leaving the roof uninsulated so that some of the warm air rises and is dissipated.”

    It should still be insulated but if they had thought about it for a few moments, they could have had a ridge vent installed.

  23. “The Nauglers always have PLANs, always. Those PLANs become Plans, then plans, then, nothing. “-lalaloopsey

    ikr! Readings in the older blog, plans can extend on and on. Same plans, different time. Or best plans maybe, but don’t go as planned. Maybe not plans, but pipe dreams. Like go smoke some more pipe dreams.

    Or jump on the pipe dreams, without well planned. Just do it!..like Nike. Because always waiting for the right time, or just always talking about it , it will never happen. Think I read something to that effect, in taking the plunge to homesteading.

    Plans or pipe dreams. Or pipe dreams planned. Or planned pipe dreams. So many choices.

    To borrow from a great coach-” When you fail to plan….you plan to fail”

    Happy Planning a Happy New Year! cheers all!!

  24. SmokingPipeDreamsandPlans,
    Oh gosh yes, those are similar to thoughts I have every time she mentions “plans”. I get that old “I don’t think that word means what you think it means” feeling. Pipe dreams is fitting or I think maybe she’d be more accurate saying she has thoughts or wishes about things they’d like to do.

    The crazy thing is she’ll post about the “plans” as if they’ll definitely get done and on a specific timeline, in spite of the dismal track record so far of accomplishing goals. (Didn’t she post about having “plans” to get 10 things done over the summer and early fall after the kids got back in early July but only getting one of the things done?)

    Recently it was, “in the spring this is where the raised beds will be.” She’d come across so much more credibly if she would just say something like, “this is where we’re hoping to have raised beds built by the spring.” Then if she were really sincere about teaching, she could talk about what materials they want to use and if they already have them on hand or what layout they’re going to use or anything to indicate that they are actually doing some planning. And then maybe she could even solicit input from experienced gardeners.

    It’s like Tekla mentioned above. There’s a giant disconnect between words and actions. Once in a while she will say something like, “Stop criticizing. I never said I am perfect” but in general she does imply she’s got skills and expertise that are valuable enough that she’s practically obligated to share them with the world. If she’d adopt an attitude of humility where she appears grateful and interested in advice from other homesteaders/unschoolers/off-grid folks who do have expertise, she’d have far fewer critics. No one expects her to be perfect, just to be reasonably self-aware and honest. (It does look like, at least on the BLH facebook page in the last day or so, that she might be trying to be less arrogant and defensive.)

  25. lalaloopsey, another “p” word always mentioned is …..projects. Lots of projects. In your comments above, could substitute the word “projects” in place of “plans”.

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