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Governor Bevin held a press conference yesterday, it seems, speaking to and about the Cabinet for Health and Family Services.  He spoke for close to an hour, but this appears to be the part that got Nicole all riled up.

Above all else, the one thing I want to make clear, everything that happens in this Cabinet has got to focus on, as it relates to children, has got to focus on what’s best for the child, first. Above all else. The child has to be first. And this is the challenge to those behind me, to those who work here, to those, everyone of our social workers, to our judicial system, to all of them, the challenge is this.

The child has got to trump the parents when it comes to what’s best for that child. Period. There is no amount of family whose interests are more important than that of the child. And that’s a rethink on the way we’ve done a lot of things. This idea that the family, and putting the child back in that family is the most important thing has led to a lot of problems.

We have a lot of children who have been put right back into very abusive and neglectful situations, and we’ve known it, whether we’ll admit it or not, we’ve known it. And we’ve known it because the laws require it. And so people know that they’re putting a child back into a bad situation. Those rules have got to change. And that mindset has to change and that’s one thing we’re working on.

The child needs to come first.

Governor Bevin and I very likely do not agree on much.  I didn’t vote for him, will never vote for him and don’t like him.

However, I agree with him about this.

Nicole, of course, doesn’t.  So she took to video on her Facebook page to hold her own little mini-press-conference.

Here’s what she had to say.

Good morning, I, em, wanted to do a quick video, I swear this one’ll be quick.

Uh, a few weeks ago, I mentioned that I was going to head to Frankfort yesterday to speak with some people. Um, things this past week changed that plan, and so I didn’t go yesterday, and now I’m really wishing that I had.

Um, I had originally gone because, as you know, our case is still open, um, it’ll be three years in May that it has been open. Our kids have been home for three years in June, and our case is still open, and um, been fighting with the courts to get it closed. We kept getting blown off, and. . .

Anyways, I want to make something very clear.

Um, CHFS, CPS, has said since May of 2015, close the case, close the case, they did their investigation, close the case, close the case. Do more investigation, still close the case. They’ve maintained that since 2015. It is the judge and the guardian ad litem in our case that is keeping our case open.

Let’s all take note of this. CPS wants to close the case. They’ve wanted to close the case since May of 2015, which must have been the day after the kids were taken. They want to close the case. It’s the judge and the GAL who are keeping it open. Not CPS.

So our case is different than some of the other families who have been dealing with CHFS and so I wanted to kind of address that.

Um, yesterday, Matt Bevin did a, um, press conference with, I always say CPS, with CHFS, and made some comments, I didn’t get to listen to the whole thing, so I’m just going off of what is, off briefly saw and I wanted to comment on a few things, and um, and whatnot.

Nicole is confusing CPS and CHFS. In Kentucky, the Cabinet for Health and Family Services is a big branch of the state government.

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The part that deals with foster care is called the Department of Community Based Services, or DCBS.  But nobody calls it that, because nobody can remember that.  We just call it CPS because that’s what it’s called in lots of other states. Everyone knows what that means.

The important point here is that CPS is just a teensy part of DHFS, one little part.

Um, first off, the reason I didn’t go is because, as I said last week, that, um, our case is being brought back into court after over a year of not being in court, it’s being brought back into court, hopefully next month is what, um, CHFS is hoping to do. They’re trying to get the judge to get it in court.

Again, note this. CPS is trying to get the case back in court, ostensibly so they can close it. They are trying. They have been trying.

Um, we have a new caseworker on our case, our last caseworker didn’t, um, you know, kept trying to get it in court, and for whatever reason it didn’t happen, I don’t know the behind-the-scenes stuff on that, so anyways, moving on, we have a court date in March, and hopefully that resolves my issues, if not, um, we’ll just make the next steps, and then I will be going to Frankfort for sure.

And so, I have encouraged, and Matt Bevin has said, he needs to audit DCFS [sic]. That’s the one thing that I, that’s the whole point of this, he needs to do that. He’s talking about all these cases and things to do and then yesterday he made a comment about, um, not reuniting children with families that open investigations, and that’s the whole point of that. Matt Bevin doesn’t even understand how DCFS, CHFS works.

Matt Bevin is not my favorite person. Honestly, he is a far right-wing Republican and really, we mix like oil and water. But he knows how CHFS works. He also knows the initials for the thing, unlike Nicole.

Bevin and his wife have ten children. Ponder that, Nicole. They have ten children. Four of them are adopted. They tried to adopt through the state of Kentucky’s foster care system but were denied because they already had five kids (one daughter was very tragically killed in an auto accident). Please note that. Matt Bevin is a wealthy man who couldn’t adopt a child through Kentucky’s foster care system because he already had five kids. So they adopted four children from Ethiopia.

Um, you have to reunite people with open investigations because that’s how you reunite the families. The cases aren’t closed until after the children are returned and everything is kind of settled in. So you return the children before that, for him to say you don’t return children to families with open cases, that would mean my children would still be in foster care.

Now, I know that in Kentucky we have a huge opiate epidemic, and I won’t [NOTE: I think she means “will”] talk about that later and the solutions to that later, but because of that, we do have a lot of children in foster care who probably need to be there at least in some shape, way, shape or form. They passed last year a law so that families can take in their cousins, nephews, whatever, and they don’t go into foster care homes with strangers which is good because alienation, separation from parents is traumatic to the children. Even if you’re taking them from abusive homes, it’s still traumatic to the children. When you’re taking children from non-abusive homes, where they are bonded with their families and they’re from good living homes, it’s even more traumatic. Um, I’ve seen that first hand.

So, that is important to first of all, not take children from homes on whims. I spoke with a woman just this past week. Her children were ripped from her home, and now they’re doing an investigation, and you know, they’re not finding stuff, and you know, it happens all the time.

In all the time I’ve been writing about this stuff and with all the comments I’ve read all over the place, not just here on this blog, I have read only a couple of times somebody who says, “Yes, my kids were taken by CPS and it was a good thing. They helped me get back on my feet.” Everyone online who ever has had any dealings with CPS (where their kids were taken) was totally innocent. Always.

You tell me what the odds are that is true.

So when you say, if you’ve got nothing to worry about, you do have something to worry about, because they come in, they take the children, and then they say, oh, well, let’s find out, make sure everything’s fine and bring the children back. That is traumatic to the children. It needs to not be done unless there is actual imminent danger, not the made-up shit that Todd Pate threw out into the air, um, when he took my kids.

The Naugler children were taken, not because Sheriff Pate made up anything (he was simply doing his job), but because they were living in appalling conditions, truly awful, and Nicole and Joe refused to allow CPS to talk to the kids and they gave every sign of preparing to flee the area. Joe and Nicole Naugler’s children were taken because of Joe and Nicole Naugler.

So, with that being said, we really need to audit, um, CHFS. We need to know how many of these children are being taken from homes where the claims are unsubstantiated. In other states, I believe it’s Kansas, it’s like 90%. Ninety percent is way high. Sixty percent is way high. It’s too many. It’s too many.

Here’s the link Nicole provided.

It’s to a Kansas resident’s Facebook page and she posted a screen shot of some stats out of Kansas of “unsubstantiated cases.”

Now then, unless Kansas has 32,910 children in foster care, the stats aren’t talking about children being taken from their homes.

Kansas has fewer children in foster care than Kentucky does. The number is around 7000.

What that silly screen shot is about is reports that are made to Kansas’ version of CPS.  The majority of those reports are “unsubstantiated.” Nobody’s kids were taken (except perhaps the ones that were substantiated).


And now we’ve got these issues of child-trafficking. Did you know that 50 to 60% of child-trafficked, trafficked children are foster children? Because what happens is they get ripped from the parents, lines are cut off, they get moved around, parents don’t know where they are. I never knew where my children were. I saw them once a week. I have no idea where they went on the other five days. No idea. Six days. Um, no idea where my children were at.

Um, that is where the child-trafficking is largely coming from.

Are you aware that nearly every child who spends time as a patient at St. Jude’s Research Hospital has cancer?  The vast majority of them.

It’s outrageous. We need to stop children from walking in that dreadful place. They go in there and they get cancer.

So we have these issues that need to be addressed, outside of that, but he’s focusing on this one miniscule thing. We need to know why children are being taken, and we have so many unsubstantiated cases.

For me, it’s the money.

If you, um, I didn’t write it on my notes, but I know that, um, there’s been bills passed, um, one in 2008 and another one I think was in 2013, um, oh, 1997, I mean, and one in 2013 that give federal funding to the states for foster care and that is how a lot of states balance their budgets. If you look up the funding for each state and you look up their child, um, foster care rates, you will notice that they are going in line with how they balance their budget.

Um, in 2016, the state of Kentucky received 12.3 billion dollars from the federal government for CHFS. Twelve point three billion dollars. For eight thousand children in foster care. That’s a lot of money. Does that money go to CHFS? Not all of it, I’m sure if somebody audited the CHFS, they’d know where that money went, but again, they use it to balance budgets, which means they use it to pay other people, other places.

Remember what CHFS does?  They don’t just do foster care. They also administer Medicaid.  Guess what Kentucky did when Obamacare passed? Then-Governor Beshear expanded Medicaid.  Remember?

And remember what that meant for the state?

It meant that the state got federal money to help expand Medicaid.

Bevin has since thundered all about rescinding that, but then didn’t because there would have been riots in the streets, however, he’s mucked it all up with work requirements.

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I realize that this graphic is for 2014 and Nicole is talking about 2016, but still, $200 million dollars is a whole lot less than $12 billion. I know math is hard.

I have no idea where Nicole got her figure.  Maybe she’ll get all pissed off and post a link.  I’m just doing what she said to do in her video and looking up stuff myself.  Like this below, which is the total amount the Kentucky government spent on everything. Thirty percent (the percentage of the state budget that went for Medicaid) of $30 billion dollars is $9 billion, or most of Nicole’s $12 billion.  Medicaid. Good.  Great use of public money.

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Here we go. Here’s her figure. It’s the total amount of federal money that Kentucky received, period. Well, that’s a common mistake for a narcissist to make, since they all think they are the center of the universe.  But, hey, the state was already audited, Nicole. They already did that.

Um, so I wanted to make this short. So what I wanted to say today, I don’t care where your opinion on my case, my family, the foster care system, any of that, whatever your position is, you need to call Matt Bevin’s office, and um, and I lost, I left my number out there, I’ll go grab that real quick but call his office today, tomorrow, or any day this week, just call, call twice, call three times and ask him to audit CPS. Demand that he does. Where is this money coming from? How many children are being returned? How many children are being, um, integrated back into their homes? How many children are being adopted out because there’s extra incentive if you adopt out, if you adopt children.

Uh, no. I’m not going to call Matt Bevin about anything at all.

Um, you can Google all of this information, I’m not going to provide links ’cause it’s easier if you just go find the information yourself, that way you’ll know I’m not trying to pull one over on anybody. But go to, um, on Youtube, is some great videos on Kentucky CPS corruption, where they’re fast-tracking adoptions to get the federal funding.

By golly yes. Get your information from. . . Youtube.

Now sure, that investigation was uncovered and that all went away in that area but I can assure you from talking with other families besides myself who’ve experienced this, um, because part of the reason why we, our case went the way that it is, because we were so high-profile. Because we kicked and screamed the whole entire way and said you’re, there’s no way in hell you’re getting away with this shit. We brought the limelight on us and it came with some repercussions, but we got our kids back.

Um, our case is still open, but our case is open with our kids home. This is so very important to us that we made compromises for that. Doesn’t mean I’m not going to speak out against it. But, let me go grab that number real quick.



All right, sorry about that. Anyways, Matt Bevin’s office number is 502-564-2611. The bill that I have here [unclear] my notes, I had two pages, CAPTA, you can Google that, and then Title “i” “v” [sic]-E, this is for adoptions. That’s the kind of stuff you want to start looking into because here’s the thing, this doesn’t just affect me, it doesn’t just affect my family or families like me, it doesn’t just affect moms who are strung out on drugs, passed out in parking lots, kids being taken. It affects people who have somebody who calls it in and says hey, this person’s doing this or that.

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I know I’ve mentioned this before, but when we lived in Alaska, I was the treasurer for our little local library.  It was partially state-funded.  We got a grant every year from the state legislature.  And you know what?  I had to account to the state of Alaska for every dime we got and what we did with it. Every penny.  My books had to balance.

We were required to raise matching funds in contributions from the residents of our village. We had to prove that we did just that.

And that was just for a little library, and the grant involved was less than $15,000.  Really.  They check this stuff.

And the Cabinet is obligated to come in and investigate all calls. So they come in and they might find something, who knows, but they all want to open an investigation. They’re not going to just close it. They want to find some way to get you into their pocketbook. And even if you’re innocent, and you have done nothing wrong, they will still look for things to do that because it is how they pay their bills.

Now, remember what I said to note above?  CPS wanted to close the case in May 2015.  CPS has been doggedly clamoring for the case to be closed for three years. Right?

It’s the evil judge and the extremely evil GAL who are trying to keep it open.

I’m always looking for dogs to be groomed. They’re always looking for kids to kidnap. That’s how they pay their bills.

The people keeping the case open are the judge, who is not paid by CHFS, and the GAL, who is also not paid by CHFS.

The caseworkers who are paid via CHFS are demanding that the case be closed and have been doing so for nearly three years.

So I want you to be focused on, if you’re from Kentucky, focus on this. If you’re from, whatever state you’re from, look into you, into your laws, look into your fraud departments, find organizations who were standing up for family rights and children’s rights too because my children’s rights were violated. Everyone keeps saying, oh, the children, the children, that’s how they get this money from you, the children. The children have rights. They have a right to be secure in their home. They have a right to not be taken by the state because the state is looking to try to find ways to get money out of them.

They’re, your children have a right not to be trafficked. Like I said, look up the numbers. Fifty to sixty percent of child, children found in sex-trafficking are from the foster care system. This is so important. So important.

I’m gonna let that, leave that on that note. I will probably, um, try to see if I can post some links in the comments as the day goes through but I’d really appreciate it if you guys found your information. That way, it’s not, you know, me trying to sway anybody any particular way. I want you to find this on your own. And I gotta get to work. Have a good day.

Nicole, keep grooming dogs and get out of the political activism business. You totally suck at it.

Bevin and Naugler

Here’s the video along with a small clip from Bevin’s speech.



This is a video, on Facebook, so I can’t embed it.  I can only link to it.

It’s about 20 minutes in length, but I think it’s twenty minutes well-spent.

It’s about socialism, what it is, how it works, or doesn’t work, and it offers a very brief overview of all the different types of socialism that exist.  It’s narrated (and probably written) by David Pakman.

I was delighted to see that at one point in the film, at the point where about 5:18 is left to view, the camera is taken quickly down a street in Copenhagen. I recognized it because Dave and I walked there daily for three days.  One of those bus stops was where we caught the bus to go to our bed and breakfast.

That’s indicative of nothing at all, but was sort of neat just because. . .

Anyway, give it a view if you’re even slightly interested in the subject.


Compare and Contrast

Two families, with lots of things in common.

Let’s list the characteristics shared by both families.

First, lots of kids.  A whole lot of kids.

Second, color coordinated outfits.  I know they all think this looks wonderful and visually pleasing, but god damn I hate it.

Third, everyone all smiling and  happy.

Fourth, lots of comments from people about how beautiful they all are.

Follow that up with comments about how well-behaved the children are.

Here’s a very typical comment from Nicole’s page.

Fifth, both families homeschool. And both California and Kentucky require almost nothing in the way of oversight when it comes to homeschooling. The parents simply have to notify the state that they are doing so, and that’s the end of it.

There is no way to know how much education took place at the Turpin house, although they seem to have been requiring the kids to memorize large portions of the Bible.  That will prove useful in later life, I’m sure.

The Naugler kids aren’t educated in any meaningful way at all.  Nicole and Joe use the term “unschooling” but what they really mean is that they do nothing.  If the kid wants to know about something, it’s up to the kid to find out on his own.

At any rate, nobody keeps up with this. Nobody knows.  The state cannot know because they do not require anything from the parents other than a note saying “Yeah, we’re gonna homeschool. Dig you later.”

Sixth, neither family seems to have allowed the children to interact with anyone socially outside their family, or if such interaction took place, it was always with a parent present.

Seventh, both families are very much estranged from any of their extended family. No visits, no relatives living anywhere nearby, and grandparents who have never laid eyes on some of their grandchildren.

Eighth, both fathers claim to be doing what they are doing because “God” instructed them thusly.  Both of them, in other words, get their marching orders from the god in their head.

Ninth, both families try to project an image of religiosity, in one case, Protestant evangelicalism, in the other, Mormonism.

Tenth, both families deal constantly with serious financial issues.  Basically, neither one makes enough money to support their family (and “support” is a subjective word). I feel pretty confident that the Nauglers would consider themselves to be rolling in money if they had the income that the Turpins seem to have had, but financial security is very much related to spending just slightly less than you earn, and the tension is the same if the ends don’t meet, regardless of what the cash flow figures are.

Now, we’ve done a comparison.  Let’s contrast them.

How are they different?

First, Nicole and Joe plaster their entire lives all over social media. They don’t restrict it to photographs from a cheesy wedding reenactment in Las Vegas or from a trip or two to Disneyland.  Nicole invites us in for lots of stuff, and that includes videos of the children talking and playing.

This makes them way more transparent than the Turpins were.

It’s easy to see, for example, that for the most part, the Naugler children do not appear to be malnourished. None of them appear underweight.  They’re basically dirty all the time, but that’s not a crime. The younger children do not seem to have good verbal skills, but that’s just my personal observation and I am not speech therapist.

In noting this, I am taking into consideration that any views we get of the Naugler kids and/or the shitstead are all coming through Nicole’s filters. Still, it’s more than the Turpin family ever did.

Second, the Naugler children have already been in state care for several weeks, and thus have been assessed. Their CPS case is still open and hopefully will remain so for years.


Third, the oldest Naugler boy, the only one who is an adult, has an actual job unrelated to his parents (has had a series of them, in fact). We’ll see if this pattern continues, and I certainly hope it does for their sake. At least the two oldest Naugler kids are active on social media in their own voices. That’s a good thing.

So, what, if anything can we take away from the Turpin tragedy that is even slightly useful?  These, of course, are totally my own opinions, and I’m sure you all will add to them in the comment section.

First, there is a reason why some folks, including me, scream and yell that there should be more oversight with homeschooling.

It’s not that homeschooling families, by default, are doing so to hide some nefarious thing in their family.  The vast majority are not.  Child abuse occurs in all sorts of families, including those who send their children to school.

But it’s easier to hide shit if your kids aren’t in school. That is simply a fact. It’s easier to hide it if they don’t go over to Billy’s house to play.  It’s easier to hide it if the child is never, ever allowed to interact with anyone without a parent present.

Lots of homeschooling kids interact with other children and other families regularly.  If really bad stuff was going on at home, it is much more likely that somebody would notice.

The red flags go up in my mind when I see the combination of homeschooling, no interaction outside the family without parents present,  overt religiosity (especially on the part of the father), and no relatives anywhere around.

Second, photographs and videos of smiling, apparently happy children are meaningless.

You can be photographed/videotaped dancing like this and be chained to your bed and starved when you get home.

Third, appearances can be very, very deceiving, and that works both ways. Things can look bad and not be bad. They also can look good and not be good.