And another one. Again while driving. Somebody needs to make a law about that, seriously.
I wanted to do another vlog this morning, um, for the vlog series that I’m doing, but I wanted to, um, talk about something different. I wanted to talk about my children’s perspective of all of this. Um, I think that it’s something that people have overlooked, is that they wanna do what’s best for my children but they don’t try to put themselves in my children’s shoes. They’re putting themselves in their own biased position.
Um, um, obviously my children have lived with us their entire lives and they have not been isolated from the outside world as people try to convince you of or whatever, have tried to convince people of. Um, my children are out and about, interacting with other people all the time.
They’ve lived in a real house, and blah, blah, blah. But, here’s the thing, is that when CPS took them, my children knew that they weren’t abused. My children knew that they weren’t neglected. My children knew that they are cared for and that they’re loved. So, when this happened, it was very hard for them to understand what was going on and why it was happening.
Especially the younger ones, you know, [child’s name “L”], I can still see effects of this trauma. Being taken from your family for eight weeks is traumatic. I don’t care who you are or what situation you’re in, it is traumatic. Even more so when you’re being torn, not only from your parents, but they were torn from each other. That, in and of itself, is extremely emotionally abusive to do that to children who aren’t in any danger. To continue that. . .
The court case still being open for family court is extremely stressful, not only for us as parents, but for my children, who wonder, every time we go to court [she begins to cry] if they’re gonna be taken again, because they know we’re not doing anything wrong. We know that everything is fine. They know this. But they also know the courts don’t know, or the courts don’t care, or whatever it is that took them in the first place. If they can take them once without justification, they can take them again without justification.
So this is something my children deal with every day this case is open. And I don’t think anyone takes this into consideration when they try to persecute my family, when they try to find some reason to justify the taking of them. They don’t think about that.
These children know the truth.
So no matter what side of the fence you’re on, or what side of the support group you’re on, that is something that is real for these children.
Then you add into it the criminal activity. The criminal accusations. The, you know, the goats at large, and the composting issue we had to go to court for, and, um, and most recently with Q. My children know that these are all false allegations. My children know these things. And you can’t make them not know that. So when they see the justice system working in the manner that it has, I’m not sure what you expect them to think, or who you expect them to trust.
You know, people say that I brainwash my kids into being anti-government. My kids are raised as we raise them to question everything. They’re raised to question government and when they see something that’s not appropriate, we discuss current events, we discuss local events, we discuss personal events, and if they see something that’s not right, they know it needs to be rectified. You know, whether it be issues in government, politics or whatnot.
And so they know to question authority when it doesn’t sit well with what they already know to be true in their hearts. We talk about things, just, police misconduct, police brutality, it’s on the news, we see it every day. Um, if you pay attention to any, any media source, you see it. We talk about those instances. We talk about how laws are being perverted for the benefit of some and not all. Um, how the Constitution is being ripped apart. We talk about those things.
And so my children see and understand these things that are going on.
And I understand that some people think that the way that we do things are wrong, and that they’re trying to save my children, but, you’re not helping them. You’re not. You know, people are upset because they think I’m brainwashing my kids to hate government, and to hate law enforcement, which is totally not true. My children have formed their own opinions of these things based on their own experiences. It has nothing to do with what we’ve convinced them of.
And even with my older teenagers, there are, there are religious and political views that we have that aren’t the same, and we allow them to have their own independent views with those things. But that’s one thing that’s consistent is my children are learning this distrust for the agencies that are supposed to be protecting them, and they’re not.
And I mentioned the other day, you know, the courts want to do more, more testing on the children. That means leaving the case open for longer. We’re coming up on two years now. I’m not sure how much longer my children are gonna tolerate this. I’m not sure how much longer this is gonna be to where anyone can justify these actions. There’s been nothing substantiated, other than the fact we didn’t register for home school, which actually has nothing to do with education or not.
Having a driver’s license doesn’t make you a good or bad driver. It just means you’ve registered with the state. It has nothing to do with anything else. And the same thing with home school. It doesn’t matter if you’re registered or not. It doesn’t mean your kids aren’t educated because you didn’t register. And because you don’t teach conventional lessons doesn’t mean your children are ignorant. And it’s really bothers me that that’s kind of all wrapped into one. “Oh, well, they home school, they unschool, so the children must not be learning,” when that’s the complete opposite of what’s going on.
And, I just think that people need to start thinking about how this affects my children. How they understand things, because they are here. This is their life. And people are telling them that what they’re doing is wrong, that what they’re thinking is wrong, and how they feel is wrong, because it doesn’t fit into their little box. And that’s not right.
It’s not right to do it to adults, and it’s certainly not right to do it to children. It’s, it’s a bully tactic. And it needs to be addressed which is why I blogged today.
Um, I’m sure you guys will have comments and opinions and whatnot which you’re welcome to put them in the comments and this will be posted on Youtube, so you’ll have it there as well. But that was just something I wanted to express this morning that was on my mind all night. And you have a blessed day.
I’m going to talk about something personal here, mostly because we relate to the world around us via our personal experiences and because I think it’s pertinent.
I think Nicole actually believes this shit, this drivel that she’s saying.
She actually believes that they’ve “done nothing wrong, ” that they are model parents, that her children are pretty much perfect in terms of their raising, that their way of living is superior to everyone else’s, that the government is horrible and that she has taught her kids to think for themselves.
But you see, I was raised by a woman who was a fundamentalist Christian and she believed all the same things. I am talking devoutly fundamentalist. She lived, breathed, ate and slept Jesus. She went through several Bibles, marking them up and studying them incessantly and attending church every time the doors opened. At one point, during my late teens, she decided that Jesus wanted her to give every single dime she had in income to the church and she did just that, causing her to lose her house because she didn’t pay the mortgage. Somehow, Jesus was supposed to either rescue her or something. In the end, when it became obvious that Jesus wasn’t coming to the rescue, she decided that Jesus had had enough of her money and it was no longer necessary and that it was all part of his “plan.”
So I get the idea of the True Believer.
And I think, really, that Nicole Naugler is a True Believer.
Not in Jesus, but in her alt-view of the world, including a whole lot of alternative facts. Instead of having her nose and mind in a Bible all the time, she has her nose in her phone, reading wacky FB pages and web sites and meditating on conspiracy theories. That’s why she says about police brutality: “. . . it’s on the news, we see it every day.” She sees it every day the way my mother saw the book of John or the Revelation or Genesis every day.
Anyway, I was raised in that fundy world. My parents were divorced, in large part because my mother was a religious whackjob, and she had custody of us, so there we were. I did attend public school after a brief stint in religious schooling resulted in my expulsion (I was delighted), so I had a huge advantage over many in that I was exposed to the larger world and some totally different viewpoints, but still, home is the primary place where views and values are shaped.
I remained entrapped in fundamentalism, only venturing away briefly in my early twenties, until I was in my late forties. That is a long, long time in prison, folks.
It wasn’t all awful. I went to nursing school, got married, and ultimately Nathan joined us and there were good, good times. My husband was not raised in a religious setting, but went along with it because he loved me.
But despite the good times, I am here to tell you, that even with my public schooling, and my nurses’ training (which was also Outside the insular world that is Fundyland), I had one hell of a time breaking free. Losing Nathan was the hardest thing I have ever faced. Breaking free from religion was in first place up until Nathan died.
Children have no idea what is normal. They have no frame of reference. The Naugler children do not “know they are not neglected.” That’s ridiculous. No neglected children know they are neglected. They know nothing else. Many abused children have no idea they are being abused. Abuse, for them, is normal.
The Naugler children are, in fact, isolated as hell. They are far more isolated than I was. Nicole says they are “out and about” but they are “out and about” with her. Those kids have no friends outside of their siblings. They attend nothing but the shop and go to the store with their parents. They don’t really even have TV, except for what brief programs or movies they get to watch on some small tablet, supervised by Mom or Dad.
Their entire worldview is shaped by their parents.
Obviously, all children are influenced greatly by their parents. That’s what parenting is, frankly. It’s what “bringing up a child” means.
But to pretend that their opinions about things like government and the police are formed out of the ether is ridiculous.
When I deconverted at age nearly-fifty, I was politically so conservative it wasn’t even funny. I voted as I was told to vote by my church. We were quite literally given a sheet to take into the voting booth with us telling us who to vote for. In order to become the flaming liberal I am today, I had to go back and dissect every single thing I’d been told and try to figure out what was true and what was bullshit. As a result, I am very pro-choice with some reservations. I am very liberal when it comes to social issues, with some reservations. I have turned out to be a mixture, but it was gut-wrenching and hard, hard work getting there.
I was politically conservative in my youth because my mother taught me to be politically conservative.
I was very devoutly Christian in my youth because my mother taught me to be devoutly Christian.
Nicole’s children hate government and the police because Nicole and Joe Naugler have systematically taught them to hate outside authority. The fact that she cannot see this is amazing to me, but my mother couldn’t see that virgins can’t get pregnant and people can’t survive in a whale’s stomach and there was never any world-wide flood, so it happens.
Do you remember what Joe said to his poor little kids when they were taken by the state? That little speech was absolute child abuse recorded and presented for the world to hear.
Nicole says that the kids have formed “their own opinions” based on their experiences. And yes, they have. Their experiences have consisted of Joe telling them that the state is gonna kidnap them, framing it in the worst possible way, striking terror into them. Their experiences have included Nicole having conversations in their presence or with them about how the police are brutal and shoot people for no reason at all, and about how the court system is corrupt and can’t ever be trusted.
In addition, all this stuff since then, since those children were returned, is entirely on Joe and Nicole. They don’t have to put their entire lives and that of their kids online, yet they keep doing it. If they’d gotten those kids back and gone silent, we’d have all forgotten they existed by now.
I have never once contacted any of Nicole’s children. I don’t know anyone who has. They cannot find this site readily simply by Googling their own names because I don’t allow their names to be used here. If they know that this site exists, it’s because their parents told them.
She yammers on about how they know. Well, they might know, but they only know because their parents made sure they know and because their parents put their photographs and their biographical information from dates of birth to personalities and character flaws, as well as, in the case of one of them, affidavits of criminal charges online publicly.
So Nicole, just stop with this ridiculous blame-game. You and Joe are the parents. You control what information comes into your home, and in your case, you totally control it because you allow your children almost zero contact with the outside world unless you are there monitoring it all every second.
This is on you.