Beating Plowshares

road maintenance

Because this comes from Nicole’s business FB page, I have obscured the name.  My point in grabbing this has nothing whatever to do with her business and its welfare.

Instead, I want to point out the phrase that is highlighted.

. . . depending on road maintenance.

Without road maintenance, Nicole and Joe would be unable to even leave their property.  I bet they are stuck out there now.  At least, I hope they are.  The roads are in pretty bad shape at the moment where they live.

So, they need road maintenance, not only so that they can come and go from their property, but in order for her customers to come and go from her business.  No road maintenance, no customers, no business, no money, no garden shed.

There is no private company that does snow removal. It would be less than efficient and really not feasible.  If a private company did the snow removal, who is going to pay them?  The people who travel the road? You gonna set up little kiosks everywhere so that if you want to travel this particular mile of highway, you have to put a dollar in the machine?  And if it snows, the price goes to $1.25?

Exactly who do they think does that road maintenance?

socialist

27 thoughts on “Beating Plowshares”

  1. Excellent post! The only other thing that the Nauglers could do would be to sent the Mr out there with a snow shovel and winterized crocs. But, you know that will not ever happen. It will be the children out, with one shovel, taking turns. You know, because in this family, we make all our decisions together. Uh huh.

  2. That has driven me to distraction for months now. Does no one study American history anymore. Roads were often private toll roads. Bridges private toll. Ferry, where no bridge, private toll. Prices weren’t necessarily fixed and people were always complaining that they’d been overcharged or simply denied access because someone didn’t like them. Businesses were often denied because some other business had bribed the private owner or maybe the private owner was a relation or was a shareholder in a private company or community that built and maintained the road. Interstate commerce on land was a mess. Intrastate commerce on land was a mess. As we progressed states started to take over some of the access roads, bridges, etc. Did they cooperate with their neighboring states or foreign (other state, not country) citizens and businesses? Sometimes yes, sometimes no.

    Plowing. I don’t have to go back I. History for that one. I live on a private road. My neighbor’s and I pool our money for the cost. We do it through a homeowners association so we can sue a homeowner if they don’t contribute. I’ve lived places where the neighbor’s just pooled money to do it. The number of contributors never reached 50 percent, the number of users of that plowed road reached 100 percent. I’ve also lived where the city does it with my tax money. Needless to say once you’re getting on the county or state roads they do it. My brother lives in a rural area that was hit badly by the last recession and they didn’t have the money in his county to clear the roads. It was a disaster. We all know how dangerous it is when they don’t do it, and how businesses and citizens both suffer from being snowed in. The tow truck drivers had a bang up winter.

    Who doesn’t want to take advantage of all the benefits without having any liabilities? Grown ups that’s who. We understand the reality of the situation, sometimes we don’t want to do it, but it’s got to be done.

  3. I’m sorry, you are all WRONG. We pay taxes exclusively to 1) fund wars, and 2) Pay our rulers to approve lemonade stand proposals.

    I know this is true as I saw a meme about it once.

    God plows roads so voluntaryists don’t have the fruits of their labor stolen by the government.

  4. The snowplow meme…..laughing real loud!

    Brace yourself, the Cavalry is coming! Governor Bevin has declared a state of emergency for Kentucky. I hear the revelry, “Socialist Snowplows are Coming!!”, down in the valleys where the green grass grows.

  5. If the roads system in America were to break down, the economic repercussions would be immediate and far-reaching; close to home, out and about, and globally.

    If there were no highly educated, state and federal supported civil engineers, architectural-structural engineers, environmental planners, geology consultants, software engineers, construction experts, skilled laborers and many more, the roads system would break down.

    If there were to be a national emergency that called for action of the various groups that proclaim readiness to protect and help, the teams could not travel without roads. No militia, food/water, building supplies, medical services, weapons, or fuel could move in quantity if the roads system were to break down.

    Common regulation and oversight of common use structures is common sense.

    I hope everyone impacted by this weekend’s massive winter storm stays safe and warm. And try to stay off the roads, it’s nasty out there.

    There but for a snowplow go I…

  6. Oh Heather, Why did I try to use logic, experience and my college education when you are so briefly and brilliantly correct. Memes it is for me next time!

    I don’t live where there’s snow. I feel like I’m missing the party… but I’m going to drive somewhere now…on a series of roads.

  7. A blizzard is bearing down on us and we may wind up with 30″ or more of snow before it ends on Sunday. I have two neighbours with whom I share a portion of a driveway.
    I have a tractor with a bucket. Guess who will be removing snow from her portion of the driveway and quite likely all the way to the road? Guess who won’t be thanked by her neighbours because they regard my doing this as their birthright?

    I’ve shoveled 0.3 of a mile, by myself, with just a snow shovel and 0.1 of it is uphill. It took me forever, but I did it. Okay, it took me a long time but it darn well felt like forever.

    I’m not looking forward to getting up on my roof in order to try and get snow off so it doesn’t collapse – but as the rest of my family suffers from vertigo, that’s what has to happen. Risk of broken limb vs. roof collapsing. That’s risk analysis at its best!

    As I recall, the county DOES maintain the road right up to the end of the Naugler’s property line. So it’s pretty funny that they’re complaining about the service they will receive despite doing everything in their power to avoid paying for it. I may be mistaken, of course. Yes, evil socialist snow plows.

  8. Heather, You speak with a highly doubtful level of truth. I’m pretty sure you’re just kidding. But, I like it (except what are those taxes things that you are talking about?) Memes for me next time!

    Sigh. For reals folks, be safe!

  9. When I saw that one-handed dig toward the statists who obviously don’t know how to keep up with a blizzard, I was gobsmacked.

    Then when I saw the socialist snowplow meme, I had the best belly laugh ever!

    Thanks, BLB and fellow commenters! Stay safe is you are in the snow zone!

  10. Please people, you’re dealing with a retard who believes her obese hubby and his buddies can protect our country in the same way our military can. ISIS would fuck Joe up the ass and make him say thank you. Do you REALLY expect her to be intelligent enough to admit we NEED taxes to pay for basic services such as road maintenance? If we had to rely on them and their supporters none of would be able to go anywhere let alone work.

  11. Feeling for y’all in snow country. Be safe out there.

    Yes indeedy, as Bill so astutely pointed out, where would we all be without those evil gubmint snowplows and the folks who create and maintain our transit systems? “If there were no highly educated, state and federal supported civil engineers, architectural-structural engineers, environmental planners, geology consultants, software engineers, construction experts, skilled laborers and many more, the roads system would break down.”

    A United States voluntaryist society, in the unicorns & gumdrops visions of Joe and Nicole ,would likely turn into Mad Max meets The Walking Dead. CHAOS. Everyone out for himself to pay as little as possible and gain the most for themselves. Human nature is not by and large evil, but we are hardwired to be survivalists and first look out for ourselves and our families. Some of us are also altruistic, and will give of our time, knowledge, labor and money. But most folks are just piggy, and will not “pay it forward” anywhere other than their own bank accounts.

    So, Nikki and Joe, dream on of a tax-free, all voluntary society, where higher education is not necessary because you can learn everything you need to, from YouTube. And meanwhile, travel those snowplowed, city or county or state maintained roads. Enjoy the feeling of fresh concrete or blacktop that smooths the ride in your well worn van. Traverse the bridges that are built and maintained by county engineering. Use the town parks, the libraries. Go to free dental exams paid for by State-funded dental schools. By all means, show up at a county hospital if, God forbid, someone in your family needed urgent care. This is America, and these services are there for all. But don’t pay for them via those vile taxes. That’s for your supporters and donors, the “rats in a cage”, to do.

  12. Do they even have a van that’s in working condition? My suspicions are that the only roadworthy vehicle Nicole and Joe have is the small sedan.

  13. In other news, Whitworth Lockard Road potholes were mitigated by the instantaneous smoothing effect of snowfall.

    Jack Frost, voluntaryist extraordianaire took it upon himself to carefully place sufficient ice crystals in the form of powdered snow in the holes.

    Inhabitants were no longer able to bitch and moan about the “thousands of potholes” leading to their thriving homestead.

    Unfortunately, the celebrities were unavailable for comment as the evil Mark Zuckerberg abused his power and sent the matron of the flourishing estate into the corner for a few days. Insiders indicate this is why the throngs of interested supporters and potential donors have been robbed of pictures of snowmen and other wonderful winter activities gleefully taking place around the well equipped cabin in the wilderness.

    Reports of thousands sitting by their computers and checking their smart phones in anticipation of her return cannot be confirmed by reliable sources.

  14. Perhaps a round of find the white bucket in the snow covered homestead landscape would occupy time while waiting for road maintenance

  15. Speaking of stuff that makes our lives more pleasurable (and profitable), what about those SATELLITES that well-educated people, mostly associated with governments, put into orbit that provide internet, television, telephones and you know – information about what the weather is likely to do.

    Happy to report that we still have power and our heat source is going strong (fireplace insert that was here when we bought the place) and our stockpile of split, dried firewood is more than sufficient. Thanks to the weather forecasting, we made certain to get a lot into the garage in anticipation of this weather. Water stored in clean buckets and 100 gallons in the stock tank for the animals that are in the barn. Hay in the barn for immediate use. It’s nice to be not only prepared overall, but to be ready for particular situations.

    Thank you evil statists for the snow plows that are out on the main road too. I don’t see roving bands of voluntaryists out there doing anything for the larger community. Nor do I expect to see them.

    The thunder snow was neat – sadly, it wasn’t accompanied by lightning this time. I mean, that’s a good thing but it’s really cool when you get the lightning too.

  16. Speaking of evil statists, here is something from the blessed fingers of Nicole herself.

    30 Jul 2014

    “Our Adventures
    We headed into Louisville. We are getting a few supplies from our Church’s food pantry. Its been a help. We are working on adjusting our income vs expenses. Its hard to get out of the spiral once it sucks you in. Then you are just putting a bandaid on a gaping wound.

    We enjoy the roadtrip. With lost income and high gas prices, and our van needing repair, we only take necessary trips. We haven’t taken one of our Sunday drives in quite some time. I do hope to get out more, and the children ( ok, Joe and I as well) can’t wait to get a zoo membership again.”

    The Louisville Zoo? The same one that is run entirely by volunteers and paid for by donations from the community?

    The Louisville Zoological Gardens, a non-profit organization and state zoo of Kentucky

    https://louisvillezoo.org/about-the-zoo/financials/

  17. With the preface before the excitement of getting a Louisville Zoo Membership again, sounds like finances were tight. Maybe some charitable donor reading it would fund zoo membership, for the children. And Joe and Nicole as well. Either the $134 Family Plus or the $184 Safari Gold, the two options for this size family. Also, there are programs for free or reduced membership fees, courtesy of the good people that donate to the capital fundraising campaigns.

    But yes, what a wonderful example of evil statists making the community a better place for all!

  18. And don’t forget their use of the public library, blogged about frequently. And not surprising considering that many public libraries today have had to enact laws to curtail the homeless from using the library as shelter during the day. I would imagine frequent visits to the library, warm in the winter, cool in the summer, running warm water with soap, flush toilets with toilet paper, comfy couches to spend a day reading, or on the internet, would suit the Nauglers perfectly.

  19. “Maybe some charitable donor reading it would fund zoo membership, for the children. And Joe and Nicole as well. Either the $134 Family Plus or the $184 Safari Gold, the two options for this size family.”

    I’m not that good a person and besides, they would have to be able to load up the van and get all the children there to enjoy it.

    So, no, I’ll let one of their supporters do it. It doesn’t appear that either Nicole or Joe actually want it enough to do more than plan for it. That is to say, hope that it magically appears in their PO Box. Ooh! USPS is ANOTHER ebil gubmint ploy upon the pure and noble voluntaryists.

    I wish to correct my reply to Jenny Islander over in “The Garden of Good and Evil”. The next ‘learning experience’ for the children is going to be car manufacture. They can use the scrap metal, make a forge, cast all the parts for an automobile for the family, get it properly wired and pass inspection such that it will be road worthy.

  20. Interesting thoughts you have here, although I have no idea the point you are trying to make. Perhaps I should read the comments. But first, your comment: “There is no private company that does snow removal. It would be less than efficient and really not feasible.” That comment is completely ridiculous. Being under three feet of snow right now, with a husband and two boys who have been plowing for the last 5 days, I beg to differ about the fact that private companies do not plow. Considering that my husband and boys work for a private company here in Virginia and have been plowing DC, after first plowing Dulles airport and the Dulles Greenway. There are tons of private companies out here right now, making money by plowing, some are paid for by residents and some by local governments. Is your point that since the Nauglers are for limited government they shouldn’t depend on the government to maintain the roads. Limited government does not mean No Government. And small local municipalities working together to pay for the maintenance of their area is not the same as the federal government doing it. So what was your point?

  21. I beg to differ about the fact that private companies do not plow.

    My comment was not “completely ridiculous.” It was generally true. While yes, it’s possible that local municipalities hire out the plowing, the fact is that Susie Jones does not have to pay them to plow the road in front of her house, nor were the Nauglers sent a bill for the snow removal (if it actually ever happened) on the road leading to the garden shed.

    I have lived in serious snow country. The only part of the snow removal we were ever responsible for was our own driveway and walkways. We have never, ever been sent a bill for snow removal or any other maintenance on the road (other than what everyone else paid as part of our property taxes).

    And yes, we’ve actually given our neighbor who has a front end loader on his tractor a case of beer for coming over and plowing our driveway, but that’s not what I was talking about. I don’t think my commentary was that confusing.

    Is your point that since the Nauglers are for limited government they shouldn’t depend on the government to maintain the roads. Limited government does not mean No Government.

    I’ll go into that on another page, eventually. For the Nauglers, limited government isn’t enough. They do, in fact, advocate no government at all.

    And small local municipalities working together to pay for the maintenance of their area is not the same as the federal government doing it.

    The Naugler parents do not like government of any sort. Federal, local, state, doesn’t matter. If it’s an authority figure, they are agin it. They take this position while simultaneously clutching a copy of the US Constitution to their breasts screeching about the 4th Amendment or the 2nd Amendment. It’s easy to get whiplash.

    So what was your point?

    My point was simple. They are the worst kind of hypocrites. What was your point again?

  22. “And don’t forget their use of the public library, blogged about frequently. And not surprising considering that many public libraries today have had to enact laws to curtail the homeless from using the library as shelter during the day. I would imagine frequent visits to the library, warm in the winter, cool in the summer, running warm water with soap, flush toilets with toilet paper, comfy couches to spend a day reading, or on the internet, would suit the Nauglers perfectly.”

    Mrs. Naug blogged about getting kicked from the library a few times. The children needed to be in sight of an adult because of the libraries rules, and she refused to follow them.

  23. @Private Plower I think your example is an extreme case because this storm was an extreme case. I highly doubt airports, cities and counties routinely recruit private plow companies to maintain public property every time it snows. They may contract a large company to do it but in the case of the East Coast Blizzard of 2016- the areas hardest hit maybe hiring private plow companies so the cities/airports/etc can open again – but I bet they aren’t hiring them for the rest of the winter. I bet when we get the next snow fall, it will be the government (city or state) plow crew clearing our interstates, road ways and neighborhoods.* As for the airport clearing, it will go back to airport employees or the regular contracted company.

    I live in a snow belt and we have private plow companies and they plow the shopping centers, drive ways, association neighborhoods, private roads, apartment complexes – all on contract. They don’t clear city, county or state roads. And I think that is the point blessed little blogger was making.

    *some neighborhoods belong to an association or are private roads, those would use contract plow companies. Majority of the neighborhoods in my area are all public roads, thus plowed by the county or the city depending on which jurisdiction the neighborhood is located.

  24. Re: private plowers.

    They exist, mostly they’re people with a plow on the front of their pick-up truck, with a small sign on the cab or parked on someone’s front lawn who agreed to use their services and permit the sign. In my area, they’re usually not licensed, bonded or insured. I HAVE hired someone to do that in the past, but then we had a relatively snow-free winter years ago, then I got around to calling the gentleman only to be told he had died. I happened to know his name due to his brother being a hay supplier in the area and took a chance on hiring him. He was reliable and did a good job. Since then, I bought my own tractor and take care of my driveway and will plow out the neighbours if they’re not dug out yet.

    BUT, that’s not the same thing as subcontracting the work to a private company. The counties MAY be subcontracting due to the inordinately huge snowfall, but that means they’re taking care of certain areas and it’s coming out of the county funds. That does NOT mean they’re taking care of a personal driveway or that a particular county road is going to be moved to the top of the heap because no one on those streets are coming outside to flag them down and offer them cash to take care of it – please!

    It gets tricky when hiring someone to plow a county or township road. If something goes wrong and a car is hit or damaged, how is it going to be handled?

    The Naugler’s can hire someone to plow out their driveway if they wish. They can even hire someone to plow Lockard-Whitworth road for a stretch but THEY will be responsible for paying the person for the job. Good luck collecting a share from the other neighbours who are the receive the benefit too.

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