Bang Bang

Bang bang, she shot me down
Bang bang, I hit the ground
Bang bang, that awful sound
Bang bang, my baby shot me down
Sonny Bono/ Rahmakhan Todd Turnbow, /Robert Rivera

I want to talk a little bit about guns.  I do not want to get into a big controversy over the legality of owning them, or gun control, or the 2nd Amendment, or any of that.  I want to talk about the Nauglers and their relationship with guns, specifically.

Back in May 2015, when all the hoopla over the Naugler family first started churning, Joe was arrested for “menacing.”

Joe Naugler was charged with menacing after he told his son to get a gun after a neighbor would not let the family tap into her private well for drinking water.

That sort of sets the scene, I think. Joe has a documented history of threatening people with firearms when he’s angry. The Nauglers have guns. They appear to own more than one. They are great supporters of the so-called “2nd Amendment gun rights.”  That’s their right as things stand right now in America.  I am not quibbling about that.

I’m not even quibbling about this.

joe teaching child

Joe is posing as one of the children shoots. It’s supposed to represent how responsible they are, and how the children are being taught to use a gun with supervision. That’s nice, isn’t it?

Here’s a couple more, taken when the Nauglers lived in an actual house, several years ago.  They do not have flat pasture land like that or any barn.  They have only a garden shed.

The point here is that they like guns.

boy shooting

boy shooting
But, what about this?

kidatcomputer

Or this?
gun in shed

And this.

gun in shed

The last two screenshots came from a video tour of the garden shed home that Nicole posted on Facebook.  The Nauglers were already  living in the shed at this point.  It’s a home. It’s not being used as a storage area.  It’s a home for 13 people, 11 of them minor children.

Obviously, since Nicole posted the video, she has no problem whatever with two firearms being stored in easy reach of her 11 minor children.

Their argument would be, of course, that they teach their children gun safety, and so it’s okay.  Only it’s impossible to teach a three or four-year-old “gun safety.”  And they have several of those tots.

pillbottleRegardless of how you feel about guns and ownership of them, I think every sane person in the world can agree that they are not something that should be in easy reach of a small child.  We all know that putting those damned hard-to-open lids on pill bottles has saved countless lives by preventing small children from gaining access to them.

Guns are, of course, just as lethal in inexperienced childish hands.

 

A bigger question, overarching all this, is why?

When you’re living a very tiny garden shed with 13 people, why do you give up valuable space to store not one, but two, large guns?   What is the point?  Why would somebody do that?

The only reason I can think of is fear.

The Nauglers live in Kentucky,  not the wilds of Montana or Alaska.  There is no reason for them to fear that some predacious wild animal is going to come around trying to get into their little shed.

We have large animals, so I understand the rationale for keeping a gun so that if you have an animal that needs to be put down humanely,  you can do it rapidly.  But they don’t have any such animals.  Furthermore, you don’t need to keep two guns at the ready, propped in easy reach, to do that.

So, what are they afraid of?

nicolepostguywithgun

There are only two things that I can think of that they might be afraid of.  One is that law enforcement folks are going to come back at some point and try to take their kids again.

If that’s their fear, those two guns aren’t going to do anything except cause a Ruby-Ridge-type situation, which could lead to pure disaster.

It would be like using a slingshot to battle with an army tank. Guess who loses?

The other fear is that some bad people, you know, criminals, that might want to come onto the Naugler property and steal stuff, or burn and pillage.

I’ll wait a second while you think about that sentence.

Criminals might come and want to steal stuff.

What stuff?

The Naugler family doesn’t have any stuff.  They are proud of not having any stuff. Honestly, if you’re a robber, are you gonna venture onto that piece of property looking for money and/or valuables?

And how likely is it that anyone would break into a garden shed with 13 people inside for the sole purpose of doing. . . what?

The fact is that the Nauglers are in far more danger of being injured or killed by the guns owned by their own family, at the hands of one of their own family, than any of them would ever be by any intruder.  Their children are endangered by having those guns in easy reach.

I hope nothing ever happens. I really, really do.

 

 

54 thoughts on “Bang Bang”

  1. I am a staunch believer in gun ownership. I have dozens. I believe that gun ownership does provide not only personal protection, but also is a means to maintain a formidable force against big government. It also provides a means for me to help fill my freezer and yes, it’s fun to plink

    But the bullshit these idiots are doing completely endangers my rights. They leave firearms out where young kids are all over them and eventually something bad is going to happen. Guns aren’t dangerous…stupid fucking people are and if they’re leaving firearms where little kids can get to them….then they’re stupid fucking people….

    Nauglers….pull your heads out of your asses and grow the hell up….you’re pissing responsible people off with your bullshit and you’re the reason we have gun laws…

    assholes

  2. I agree that this is irresponsible behavior. Even if the kids have had extensive education about gun safety, even if the guns are unloaded –having them right there where curious kids play is just asking for something bad to happen.

    Please don’t even start with the rationale that “those kids have been taught not to touch them unless warranted”. Kids are kids and if one of them gets hurt because these disgusting people don’t have enough sense to keep them secure, well maybe it does require the authorities to step in and impose common sense.

    People like these are why we have so many laws. The irony is that they scream the loudest that those laws infringe upon their rights.

  3. Just a couple of points to make. Guns are lethal. Ingested medications without child-proof caps leave some wiggle room for medical intervention, if discovered quickly enough. Gunshots rarely give you a second-chance.

    Fear is a dangerous thing and is what causes a person to take a gun to a fistfight. Cowards take guns to a fistfight. Let me repeat that word: Cowards. And leave it right there.

  4. Idiots! If you had half a brain, you would stop with the nonsense. The Naugler story isn’t about guns. It is about the overreach of LE and the false allegations of child abuse!

  5. I gave a modest donation to this family and have been willing to give them the benefit of the doubt that they love their kids and are trying to raise themselves out of indigence. I didn’t love their lifestyle, but was hoping it would improve to how they lived a few years ago showed.

    But seeing this…. leaving firearms within reach of children, in crowded conditions of 12 walking humans in less than 400 s.f……that’s a recipe for a tragedy. You can’t claim to love your children and yet not safeguard them, in your OWN home, from weapons that can cause injury or death. Please, Naugler parents — store those guns properly or don’t have them at all!

  6. Hello “Jack”

    I am going to permit your comment, although calling me an “idiot” isn’t polite, but I assure you that I have a complete brain. “The Naugler story” is whatever I wish to talk about. I am merely making some commentary on their public posts. After all, they are the ones who wanted their “story” to go viral. Well, it got the national attention they wanted and here we are.

    And there is certainly room for debate about whether there was any “overreach” of law enforcement personnel, or whether the allegations of “child abuse” are false or not.

    Glad you could join us.

  7. The story hasn’t went viral, and never will! Your just a butt hurt individual who can’t accept the fact that nothing, and I mean nothing you have said or done has impacted thier lives! Have fun with this as you’re not protected here no more than you were on Facebook. Eventually this page will come tumbling down, and your EPIC failure will be noted.

    Have fun trying to stay afloat.

  8. This is so sad for the children. I’ve followed this family for a long time, hoping for the best for the children. Personally, I have seen no attempt at responsibility as parents. As usual, after all the go fund me money and donations from friends and other on line donations, I see no betterment for the kids. The nauglers are still teaching their children hate and fear for others, distrust for others and anti government screeds.

    No, using a minor child to post, that is so irresponsible. He’s still a minor, whether you, the nauglers, decide to allow him to get into your personal problems. Take care of your issues yourselves, mother and father (although, you’ve done nothing to take care of any issues, thus far. Only ask for more money, and still use your children for that.)

  9. The more this Jack character posts, the more he reveals just how intellectually underdeveloped those who support these people really are.

    I wonder if it’s genetic or environmental.

    “break me off a piece of that kit kat bar”

    This is a very good blog. The threats of shutting you down are good for a chuckle. Thank you for exposing the truth.

  10. This is not reasonable. This cannot be true. I hope someone from their family can explain. Perhaps the weapons have safety locks and we can’t see them clearly?

  11. Jack Schitt, you can’t spell or use correct grammar worth a schitt. Are you on that ‘unschooled’ bandwagon, too?

  12. “One last thing”, says Jack. I hope it is the last thing he sends you Blessed Little Blogger. I find your blog and the remarks of the commenters very logical. The exception being this Jack charter and the Nauglers themselves.

    As my Mother would say, “That poor man ain’t the sharpest knife in the drawer.”

    Thank you for being the voice of reason for those poor Naugler babies.

  13. Looks like “Jack Schitt” is the one butt hurt here. The blogger displays valid concerns that any responsible gun owner would have after reviewing the carelessness of the Nauglers in respect to gun safety. If they had any sense & truly cared about the health & welfare of their children, they would take a 2nd look at their practices, & ammend them to put the safety of their children 1st.

  14. Gun safes are on sale often and they don’t take up much room. Seems to me a couple hundred dollars to ensure your children’s safety is a bargain. Also.. what is up with all those white buckets?

  15. Jack, your grammar is atrocious; please proof read before you post.

    Nauglers, one and all, get off the internet and spend some time with your children. Get real jobs and real hobbies. If you worked as hard at taking care of your home and children as you do scanning the internet and fear mongering you wouldn’t have to worry about CPS or online critics.

  16. Once again you present a well written post on an important issue. I agree with some of the commenters, the last thing we need are more laws. Here in Kentucky we are free of many of the restrictive gun laws of other states. I never even thought of a law being passed regarding securing your gun from children. I suppose that is because most everyone here just does it. We have some common sense. Even my mama takes her 9 mm from under the pillow and puts it up when the younger grandchildren visit. One impulsive moment from a toddler can end in a world of hurt. With proper training there does come an age (sometimes sooner, sometimes later) when children can mostly be trusted around guns. Still, they are kids and you have to be vigilant. At the very least, the father could throw a couple of nails into the wall and hang them up out of reach and accident range of the younger children.

  17. Truth is this.

    The Naugler parents are absolute failures in every sense of the word.

    They’ve failed to figure out reality, life, America.

    Complete failures.

    They might enjoy sucking hind tit a little longer.

    But look at where it’s landed them.

    This story, this drama, this “viral” revelation.

    I’m sorry the kid have such a confused [admin: nope, not gonna allow that] father.

  18. Jack Schitt.

    Welcome to viral.

    “This is gonna go viral”

    Funny how threats work out isn’t it?

    Ya know what? People are waking up. the Joe Naugler scam and move on way of life is soon to be over.

    They’ve played it out. It’s going to be over soon. This blog will be their undoing. the next time they beg money, the next time they present a pretty picture . . . whoever is running this blog will say “wait” . . . and the easy funds will stop rolling in.

    Social media is a tool for honest people just as it is for fools.

    It’s easy to flood feeds with links.

    buckle down Jack.

    We’re just now getting started. yes, I said “we’re” [Admin: there is no “we” here. There is only me. There is “we” elsewhere on the net, lots of them. But here there is only me.]

    Have a nice day.

  19. As a firm believer in gun ownership rights I also believe responsible parenting. It is not responsible to leave any weapon readily available to minors. I do not care how well they have been educated in safety they are children. Children play and do not understand the consequences an accident could have. That is the parents responsibility to take action to prevent those accidents.

  20. I think you have a good post. I had watched the “home” tour before and totally missed the guns. Glad you caught it. I agree the guns need to be locked up or hanging from the rafters with a gun lock on it, something besides propped up by the door for all to touch.

  21. Complete idiots. Who thinks leaving guns laying around in reach of all those kids is a good idea????? Obviously these dumbasses -_-

  22. They think they are off-grid survivalists?

    The whole thing is just pitiful. I bet a lot of people are thinking, “there goes the neighborhood.”

    I hope they either shape up or ship out for your sakes Kentucky. Just don’t let them come back to Texas!! We don’t want them back. She’s more slippery than a pocketful of pudding, & he’s slicker than a slop jar.

    Thank you muchly for a safe place to have my say and not get hounded by them & their posse of haters.

  23. I stand corrected, it has been brought to my attention that after some investigating, this schitty blog belongs to Denise. My apologies go out to Lisa.

  24. Oh Jack,

    Wrong answer, please try again. I can only wish that I was so erudite.

    “Another Friday night and you ain’t got nobody, you’d have some money but keyboard bullying, it just don’t pay, how you wish you had someone to beat on, you’re in a lonely way.”

  25. Lisa, someone to beat on? I have no idea where you’re going with that but ok. This blog will come down. It’s a matter of time. The bullying that you people do hasn’t protected you yet, and will not here either. Hide and watch as Real Justice is served to you idiots!

  26. In the end, it really doesn’t matter who the blog belongs to. When it’s gone, that will be the only thing that counts.

  27. Jack, please point to anything that I have written in this blog (not the comments, but my writing) that is “bullying.” I am making public commentary on public blogs and writing.

    You are free to do the same if you get a blog of your own. Your comments here are permitted because I am being merciful. Remember that when you call me an “idiot.”

    It’s completely within my rights to do this.

  28. Some might find mr schitts blustery threats intimidating. This blog is set up for people to talk about what they want without being threatened or attacked. Mr schitt, a self proclaimed constitutional scholar, will recognize others’ right to speak freely. I suggest that the admins respectfully limit contact. If this particular blog goes under, so be it. The internet is very large.

  29. Jackie boy,

    The blog does not belong to me. Cut it out with your threats and try engaging in some grown up conversation.

  30. Jack Schitt you’re scare tactics aren’t working. We have every right to speak our minds and will continue to do so . Jack aka Nicole/Joe your days of scamming are limited as well as your days of trying to intemidate people.

  31. ” You tools fail to realize, you have fallen into the trap. There is enough for a subpoena. Tsk tsk”

    So now this Jack character is threatening to sue anyone who comments on this blog?

    Is he planning on suing the entire population of Breck county and beyond?

    That is ridiculous!

  32. [Admin: Jack, this is not your space. You didn’t pay for it. I’m going to remove stupid crap, and I am the one who gets to decide what is stupid crap. Your silly comment is gone.]

  33. Every time I read a post by Jackyl I imagine him/her stomping their feet like a toddler not getting what they want.

    We too have freedoms ya big dummy.

  34. And the masses continue to gather and grow.

    The truth shall set you free…but first it will make you miserable. ~ James A Garfield
    The truth will set you free but first it will piss you off. ~ Gloria Steinem
    Lie on! While my revenge shall be to speak the very truth of thee. ~ Lord Nugent
    Jesus said, “You shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free. ~ John 8:32
    That which can be destroyed by the truth should be. ~ PC Hodgell
    Pretty words are not always true and true words are not always pretty. ~ Unknown

  35. Thank you for all the work involved with providing the truth. Hoping it will help provide a better life for the children. To Joe and Nicole, the truth hurts, and needs to be heard.

  36. A little update of Freedom of Speech on the internet, from 2003. Don’t like what one is reading…easy solution, ignore it. Carry on blogger, I’m interested in the reads.

    The World Summit on the Information Society (WSIS) Declaration of Principles adopted in 2003 makes specific reference to the importance of the right to freedom of expression for the “Information Society” in stating:
    We reaffirm, as an essential foundation of the Information society, and as outlined in Article 19 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, that everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; that this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers. Communication is a fundamental social process, a basic human need and the foundation of all social organisation. It is central to the Information Society. Everyone, everywhere should have the opportunity to participate and no one should be excluded from the benefits of the Information Society offers.[37]

  37. Jack,
    You are a silly, unruly, child. Please go sit in the corner and think about how civilized people conduct discussions.

    Your Loving Friend,
    HMM

  38. I’d like to thank the Blogger for these outstanding well researched pieces. I have seen news stories and wondered what was really happening with this family. Please keep up the informative writing.

  39. Is there a contact email for blessed little blog admin?

    Good question. No. Haven’t set anything up. Not sure if I will.

  40. All of the obvious safety issues have been pointed out by the writer and commenters. I wanted to note that no one is using hearing protection or shooting glasses.

    The following is from National Shooting Sports Foundation.

    7. Always Wear Eye And Ear Protection When Shooting
    All shooters should wear protective shooting glasses and some form of hearing protectors while shooting. Exposure to shooting noise can damage hearing, and adequate vision protection is essential. Shooting glasses guard against twigs, falling shot, clay target chips and the rare ruptured case or firearm malfunction. Wearing eye protection when disassembling and cleaning any gun will also help prevent the possibility of springs, spring tension parts, solvents or other agents from contacting your eyes. There is a wide variety of eye and ear protectors available. No target shooter, plinker or hunter should ever be without them.

    Most rules of shooting safety are intended to protect you and others around you, but this rule is for your protection alone. Furthermore, having your hearing and eyes protected will make your shooting easier and will help improve your enjoyment of the shooting sports

  41. Tekla,
    NN posted the photo of one of the boys going through a catalog to make a list of things for the homestead. Someone said it might be the Uline catalog. Uline sells ear and eye protection so we can only hope that maybe they’re actually going to purchase some. I’m actually worried though that they’ll only buy more white buckets.

    http://www.uline.com/BL_8172/Square-Pails

  42. Ever heard of the phrase, worry about yourself?

    the fact that you took the time to screenshot and circle things off her video makes me think you should find a hobby that isn’t stalking other people’s videos.
    I live where guns are carried in teenagers’ trucks, moms and dads carry them on their hips to grocery shop. Families meet up at the shooting range for fun. Everyone on the block owns guns, lots of guns. Kids start shooting at a very young age, hunting at 12. It’s the way of life here…how many deaths by guns in this city in the last 3 years? ZERO!

  43. Ever heard of the phrase, worry about yourself?

    1. You might apply that phrase to yourself, MrsFun. I see that you have a blog. Why don’t you go write about all this there?

    2. Don’t worry about my hobbies. I’m doing fine.

    3. Public video. Open to public scrutiny and public commentary. Don’t like that? Too bad.

    4. I was very careful to stress in the piece that I wrote that my objection was not about guns, per se. It was about small children and toddlers having easy access to guns in a very small confined space.

    If you think that’s okay, well, bully for you. Most reasonable people, even gun enthusiasts, do not.

    5. One anecdote, from one small place (your city), is not evidence. You can ignore evidence if you wish, but I will not.

  44. MrsFun,

    I understand and respect what you said. Yes, it’s good to live and let live, to mind one’s own business, and to not poke your nose where it doesn’t belong.

    I’m having a hard time understanding why someone that lives as far away as you do would contradict yourself by thrusting yourself into the middle of something that has nothing to do with you though. (if in fact the information in your linked blog is true) Mr. and Mrs. Naugler have become public figures and many here . . . where WE live . . . want to know the truth.

    -Did the Sheriff really disregard the constitution and go in there without probable cause? (No).
    -Were the children really taken only because they choose to live “differently”? (No).
    -Has there been a clear pattern of behavior and run ins with CPS? (Yes)
    -Are the allegations and claims made by former employers, acquaintances, fellow church members true (I don’t know)
    – Do those of us that live here deserve and should we try to find out what the heck is going on? (yes)
    -Are these folks raising kids that we need to be concerned about later (undecided)

    We live here Misti. We might someday have dealings with these people. We have children and ties to the community and it’s important that we know whether we’re being told the whole story. I feel that there has been a great deal of misinformation and a pretty fair number of lies and deceptions. If in fact they scammed folks out of $45+ . . . well, why? What have they done with it?

    Isn’t it fair to find out the truth and to have a blog that allows intelligent discussion without insult and the games on social media?

  45. Gun technology has changed a great deal since the founding of the USA. Matchlocks were commonly used by the militia in Colonial America and clearly they aren’t regularly found anymore. Flintlocks were used in the American Revolution.

    Anyway, I thought it was worth mentioning, if only because it was a bit harder for kids to accidentally shoot one of those guns than it is with what is available today. Not impossible, obviously.

  46. @Buckets – Thank you for the link. Still seems an unnecessary expenditure. Surely there are plenty of leftover buckets from the remodeling that was prior to opening the shop, plus there are things that are often sold in buckets in feed stores. Supplements often come in buckets and they have goats. Dairy goats and they are very likely to need supplements. Southern States and TSC sell plenty of buckets of their own and you don’t have to worry about the shipping costs. They’ll often sell multiples to you for less, particularly if you’re a good customer or a potential return customer.

    Now, if they’re shopping for larger containers so they can fill it up and bring potable water home for their personal use (themselves and their animals), they may want to look at this page in the Uline catalog: http://www.uline.com/BL_8154/Plastic-Drums?pricode=WK695&AdKeyword=rain%20water%20barrel&AdMatchtype=e&gclid=CMP5hLTv_skCFYI_aQodn9EODA&gclsrc=aw.ds

    Of course, they may get a better deal at a local hardware store, or Walmart. These things vary. Rain barrels are designed with accessing the water later in mind, so it may be worth the slightly higher cost.

    They should also get a scale so they can weigh out any supplements and feed they give to their goats. It’s important to know which animals are utilizing their feed the most efficiently and effectively to figure out if one of them is ailing, or should be culled. Numbers do matter, particularly when running a business.

Leave a Reply

Your email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *