Another One

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This is why homeschoolers need to be more closely supervised. Like school shootings, how many of these things have to happen before we get it?

Here’s a second snippet which those who read this blog might find interesting.

Go read it. Read how people thought that because these people proclaimed their religion everywhere, they shouldn’t get any prison time.  They meant well, don’t you know.

Then vote for people who would support more oversight and stricter regulations for homeschoolers.


14 thoughts on “Another One”

  1. What I appreciate about not being affiliated with Christianity is that I don’t have to tie myself into knots when it comes to the transgressions of others.
    Beat your kids, rape people, molest, steal, commit adultry, neglect your kids and on and on… I don’t have to pause before declaring the offender a piece of shit and ask “but how are they with Jesus? Are they saved?”

    Who cares. A piece of shit is a piece of shit, no matter what they may have done in a church.

    Sure makes life really simple when you can cleanly separate the chaff from the wheat


  2. Homeschooler here. I’m all for increased oversight. I have no issues with submitting an annual curriculum plan, we already do that. I have no problems with a teacher reviewing my kids work each year, we already do that. I have no problems with my kids seeing a doctor and dentist every year, we do that far more than once a year.

    I have no issues with oversight and I do worry about those who think it’s an issue.


  3. As long as we make excuses for abusers and victim blame we will never get a handle on the rampant child abuse and neglect in this country. The adverse effects of child neglect and abuse can last not only a lifetime, but can be multigenerational. This goes for the court too. These parents should have gotten the full prison terms allowed by the law, which, imho, are still inadequate punishment for their heinous acts. Instead they get less than three years and a pat on the back from their church.

    The use of religion as an excuse and a shield for such brutal acts is abhorrent. Where is the Christianity in that? Were these parents bringing these children to their church and everyone there was turning a blind eye? Or is it yet another case of hiding their abusive acts behind closed doors while presenting a false facade to the outside world? Where in the Bible does it say that a child cannot have proper fitting shoes or adequate nutrition? That spare the rod spoil the child bullshit is just one segment of the abuse these parents inflicted on innocent children. I’m an atheist and I know this isn’t WJWD. What is the fascination with the brutal and archaic Old Testament with these types of Christians? Wasn’t the point of Jesus to spread the ideas of love and light? Do they even study the New Testament? When and where did these people lose the narrative?

    It’s “bad apples” like these parents who taint both religion and homeschooling and are moving us toward stricter regulations. To quote the old adage, and use Nicole Celeste Naugler’s very own argument and logic when she applies it to police and any authority figure, “one bad apple spoils the bunch.” If I thought like her I’d advocate for the abolishment of all homeschooling and religion, but I know people who are good and do what is right who are religious and/or who homeschool. Unfortunately, people like these parents and the Naugler’s, on a smaller scale, are “why we can’t have nice things.” So I advocate for stricter oversight. I advocate for separation of church and state as proscribed by our constitution. I advocate for children, the elderly, the less able. I advocate for the voiceless, the vulnerable, and those who are victimized, because no ones rights supersede the rights of others to be happy and healthy and autonomous human beings

    “The fact of the matter is you Christians have to stop reading the Old Testament. You don’t understand it. It literally escapes you. It’s not your book. Our book has a really mean god. Scared the shit out of you. So you had to come up with this nice kid. That’s your book asshole.” -Lewis Black


  4. Well Jim did say he was sorry for any pain they MAY have inflicted. This is one step up from sending thoughts and prayers. Then we have the woman, that poor dear complaing the church didnt have the answers she needed while the both of them left a trail of broken bones and oozing sores.Come to think of it,, fuck those two, and they should have got 31 years in prison not months with time off for good behaviour. On another note, it was nice to see the little grandbaby. just think, if the Blessed had got some prenatal care, it may have been a Uncle and Niece Picture


  5. 32 MONTHS?!?!, that’s the problem, it’s the same everywhere domestic abuse is a misdemeanor(sic), but if they left the house and hit a stranger that would be a felony. Until that changes we will see more stories like this. 😞😥😣


  6. As long as people can hide behind bullshit religious exemptions then I worry tighter legislation and oversight won’t be enough. For example vaccine exemptions. My daughter is severely disabled and can’t be vaccinated, she went to public school for the first few years. At the start of every year I’d have to drag her to the doctor where he’d have to fill out an affidavit then I’d have to fill out lots of paperwork, mail it in, cross my fingers and hope we checked every box. Then I got smart and starting abusing the religious exemption, all I had to do was fill out one sheet, check a box that said religion and it’s nunya bizness then mail it in. Bam done for a year. I don’t agree with how easy it was and I would worry homeschool would stay the same and religious zealots would check the box marked nunya bizness and go about beating their children.


  7. As long as people can hide behind bullshit religious exemptions

    Oh, yeah. NO religious exemptions for anything. None. Zero. Nada.


  8. Former homeschooler here, and we live in a state with zero oversight. Nothing. We don’t even have to tell the state, district, anyone we homeschool. Honestly, it was a relief. I don’t have an issue with oversight, but I was never able to answer how we could adequately oversee and still maintain some of the freedoms homeschooling allowed. Testing would have looked terrible for us. We pulled from public after 5th grade. 6th grade math involved us essentially redoing 3rd-5th grade math, because she didn’t have the basics down well enough to continue building on. She would have bombed a 6th grade math test because we hadn’t gotten there yet. But, 7th grade she had it, we completed 6th and 7th grade concepts in one year. By 8th grade she was doing high school math….yet if you looked at her 6th grade tests in 6th grade it would have looked like we failed. Same with history, public covers Ancient Civilizations in 6th grade. She was interested in U.S. History, an “8th grade” topic. We did U.S. Ancients were covered later. We did the very best we could and what was right for her at the time. And when the time was right for her to go back to public school, she did.

    Submitting a curriculum plan would have worked for us. We probably wouldn’t have stuck with the plan though, when we found something new that worked we went with it. In all reality, anyone can submit a plan. Does that actually mean that is what’s really going on at home?

    Dr.’s visits, fine. We go anyway. They even knew we homeschooled…my kid’s in one piece, but they don’t have the time with us to tell you anything about our homelife.

    Ect, ect…, there are pro’s and con’s to every way. How do we have a system in place that catches the ones that need it, but doesn’t hinder those of us actually trying to give our kids the very best? The people who follow the rules aren’t generally the one’s who need the rules in the first place.


  9. In all reality, anyone can submit a plan. Does that actually mean that is what’s really going on at home?

    Doesn’t matter. Teachers have plans too and they veer from them if they need to. To write one, though, you have to actually think about education and what you might do.

    Regarding testing, if your child was able to reintegrate into public school, you did fine and she would done fine on the testing. It’s not really about the grades they get. It’s about the fact of being tested, in a real world setting (NOT Mommy and the kitchen table) and being seen by somebody except Mommy and Daddy. I personally wouldn’t object to younger children being tested orally, conversationally.

    The people who follow the rules aren’t generally the one’s who need the rules in the first place.

    This comes perilously close to “there is no need for gun control because only law-abiding citizens would follow the law.” In that case, we don’t need traffic laws (ever ridden through Cairo?) or laws against theft or murder, do we?

    This is not a “hindrance.” Fuck your “hindrance.” My view of this is that you should be allowed the privilege of homeschooling your kids when and IF you can demonstrate that you are capable of doing so and when and IF you demonstrate that you’re willing to have them examined, both physically by a physician and educationally by a professional at least annually. If you can’t or won’t, you’re hiding something.


  10. The most reliable “test” is a teacher evaluation for any age or grade. They’re extremely expensive unfortunately; which is understandable since those teachers are paid hourly. If the individual evaluations were less expensive, I’d do those in a heartbeat.


  11. We need much more oversight on home schoolers. I wish it was outlawed. How sick that two people can almost kill two children in their care, and get less than 3 years in prison. I’m getting pretty sick of so called Christians.


  12. I’d quote, but I always seem to quote my entire comment.

    I in no way meant there shouldn’t be oversight of home education. My question still revolves around how.

    It would take me five minutes to go on any major curriculum supplier and download a syllabus to provide a curriculum “plan” if I wanted to. If I’m purposefully hiding my child at home, I could probably spare those five minutes.

    Testing – if the scores matter, how do we account for remedial issues? If they don’t matter, I would think a doctor visit or some sort of interaction with a trained observor would be better.

    As to hindrance, I’m actually speaking towards a generic education review. If somebody had tested my technically sixth grader on 6th grade material, she would have failed. If I had been made to send her back to school because of that one review, I would have called it much more than a hindrance. Teaching her 6th grade material when she needed remedial work would not have been right for her.

    I think that a much more in depth oversight by say, the local district, that involved a plan, portfolio and one on one would be the best. Taking a few minutes to understand why we choose to do what we do, showing some sort of forward progress at whatever the child’s level, interaction with the child and parent.

    There is a big difference between being leary of ways a law could be written and saying there should be none. Oversight is needed, physically and educationally,so kids are not falling through the cracks. Something thorough, but also allows flexibility so parents can give their child the best, whatever it may be. I’m only leary of a general oversight when kids aren’t generic.


  13. I in no way meant there shouldn’t be oversight of home education. My question still revolves around how.

    Look, with the religious right around and the Trumpers in plain view, there is almost zero possibility that America as a nation will ban homeschooling in my lifetime. Relax.

    I am pragmatic. I’d be happy with just a teensy bit more oversight. And that would mean ANY oversight. Right now, in Kentucky, there is zero.


  14. There is zero oversight in my state as well. It’s ridiculous. I actually tutored a girl who was doing horrible on her SAT/ACT’s. She was homeschooled & her mom worked full time. I discovered she was doing her algebra by copying the answers in the back of her workbook. Her mom thought she couldn’t take a test & wanted all sorts of accommodations for her. Nope she just cheated & was scared to tell her mom.
    If she would have had some kind of testing/oversight, this would have been discovered way before she was 17.


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