There is a problem.

Math is hard. Math is so hard that Nicole doesn’t do it if she can help it.  She hates fractions, she says.

The whole bit about science made me laugh out loud.  That’s not science. That’s “look up stuff on the internet” and perhaps some “I saw this in a dog’s ear two months ago and found that this product worked well so I’ll try it.” I’ll just leave the “dog psychologist” stuff alone for now (it’s hilarious), and focus on “crazy math.”

What sort of math are we talking about? I asked a groomer about this. Oh, my god, it’s diluting shampoo and other stuff that comes in a concentrated form.  It’s hard, you guys.  You know, they tell you on the label that you put 2 ounces in water to make a quart and how do you do that?

I’ll tell you how to do that.  You get a quart bottle. You put 2 ounces of concentrate in it.  You fill it up with water and shake it a little.  You’re done.

I mix milk replacer twice a day for the two boys. It’s a powder  that is composed mostly of dried milk, and it dissolves pretty instantly in hot water.  Because powders, like flour, can settle,  and because the stuff is beyond expensive, I weigh it.

I fill each bottle about three-quarters (oh dear, that’s a scary fraction!) of the way with hot water. I weigh out exactly 7.5 (god, another fucking fraction) ounces of powder and dump it in the bottle. I put on a lid and shake it. I then fill it the rest of the way with water and add a nipple.

We’re in the process right now of weaning Boots, the normal, older bottle calf, so he’s getting 5 ounces of powder in his bottle instead of Lazarus’ 7.5. In a few days, I will drop that to about 3 ounces and half a bottle of water and then one morning, he’ll be done.

None of this is hard. I didn’t have to get any help to figure it out.

Because the difference in a 1/4” blade and a 5/8” blade is more than you would think.

No, it isn’t.  It’s exactly the difference that I would think.  There is 3/8″ difference between them, or 1.5 times the smaller blade. I cannot remember what grade I was in when I learned that, but from what I can find online, children in real schools learn about fractions in the fucking first grade.  They start to learn about common denominators (look it up, Nicole, it will make your life easier and with a little practice, you can do them in your head) a year or two later, and then they start multiplying and dividing them.

The fact that Nicole would even write such an obvious, elementary thing just shows that she is not capable of educating anyone.

She thinks that this is an example of a child educating himself.

She doesn’t tell us which kid she’s talking about, but I can guess.  He’s old enough to have a “desk.”  I suspect he even has a “room” and doesn’t sleep in the loft.  He should be learning trigonometry. Instead, he’s copying measurement equivalencies.  She considers this “education.”

But wait. It gets worse.

Well, we weren’t wondering, but no matter.

The problem is that Nicole is telling us all about resources to learn algebra (and the meme cannot even use capital letters correctly, which doesn’t fill me with a lot of optimism), yet she has no idea at all what algebra is.

Just as an aside, I wonder if Nicole knows what a MOOC is.  It’s an acronym for “massive open online course.”  Guess where MOOCs come from?  Wanna guess?  Just guess.

Colleges.  Some of them are private colleges, but a lot of them originate from (gasp!) state universities.  You know, government schools.

Wikipedia is not a reliable source of information. I’d fail any student who relied on it.  It’s okay and useful as a quick resource, or a starting-off point, but gee, it’s not a good place to get an education.

Nor is YouTube.  There are lots of YouTube videos out there. Too many. Many of them are great and informative and even educational. But you have to be able to sift the chaff out.  Nicole doesn’t even recognize chaff when it hits her right in the face.

And Khan Academy is no substitute for a real teacher who can explain stuff in real life.

In education, as in everything else, you get what you pay for. Pay nothing and you’ll get nothing.

Even that moron “Charles” (Larisa) thinks Nicole is a dumbass.

That’s not “easy” algebra. It’s not hard algebra.  It’s not algebra at all.  But I’ve written about this before, because Nicole seems to love that little word problem and uses it again and again without ever realizing how stupid she is.

This is why homeschooling should be be either heavily monitored and strictly regulated, or banned outright.



23 thoughts on “Algebra”

  1. I home schooled my 13 year old daughter, Jordan for 4 years. This year she decided she wanted to go back to public school.
    In order to re-enter our public system, she had to do all manner of testing. Jordan tested easily at her 8th grade level.
    Yesterday, she came home from school, and told me they were starting to learn geometry. I asked her to show me what she had learned so far, and she proceeded to show me 2 different applications!
    Just goes to show you really can home school your child, you just have to keep them on pace, with what our public school system is teaching! Home schooling is not easy, but it can be done. I am very proud of my kid and ME!!


  2. The Kentucky legislature is currently looking at a bill that will make homeschooling parents responsible for such things as providing the Board of Education an annual portfolio of the student’s work, give the Board the right to review whether the student has adequate academic growth and if there are 24 months with no growth, give them the ability to terminate further homeschooling of the child. Many homeschool groups are advocating for this bill as the scofflaws are giving homeschooling a bad reputation.

    It’s a decent law and not too stringent. It should be no problem for any child who is actually homeschooled or unschooled and will only effect those students whose parents are trying to game the system.


  3. It’s a decent law

    I am so glad to see this. I suspect that the Nauglers themselves helped contribute to it. They’re the ultimate bad example.


  4. Lisa,

    We have a similar law in Virginia. Homeschooled children are required to take a yearly standardized test and submit the results to the superintendent. If the student is in the bottom stanine (which, honestly is abysmal because that means that they score in the bottom 25%), they are put on a watch list. If they do not improve the next year, they are “not allowed” to continue to homeschool. Sounds reasonable, right? Until the fundies get involved and scream religious persecution. So, in our state you can file a “religious exemption” which means you don’t have to do anything. These are the very kids who need to have oversight. It’s maddening.


  5. We homeschool ,a fifth and a six grader. The sixth is behind and the fifth is ahead so I get to do the same curriculum for them both. Khan academy is great for me, I use it in the morning if I need to brush up on how to do inverse operations or dividing decimals (I forget). A child could not be properly educated using those resources, there’s simply not enough coverage, a couple five minute videos and a seven question quiz is not an education. My sixth hates math so I thought it would be neat to do a ” math class for kids that hate math”, it was horrible absolutely awful, I had a group of unschoolers ( I hate them) and surprise surprise they couldn’t keep up and they couldn’t take instruction from another adult. I applaud further regulation, I would happily welcome it. I hate to see so many kids being failed by their mothers.


  6. I have no problem at all with this law. IMO it would bring KY up to par with other states. NN stated they came to KY just because of the lax home school laws. Just wanted to “fly under the radar” I mean, damn, who says crap like that? NN and JN that’s who, remember NN screaming at Jacob and Quentin? Telling them to say nothing? Lots of secrets in that clan…Secrets that possibly get certain people jail time!


  7. The only issue I’d have with the law proposal is how children scored similarly in public school are addressed. Any child that is that far behind deserves assistance.


  8. This is the kind of thing that drives me nuts about Nicole. Yes those resources are available. Are they using them? Do they know how? What did they do with those resources don’t give the kids the training they need?


  9. Any child that is that far behind deserves assistance.

    At least, in a public school somebody might reasonably be expected to know that the child is having problems. Yes, they should receive the same sort of help. But this isn’t a proposed law about public schools. It’s about homeschooling.


  10. When my daughter was in elementary school she tested low in reading but tested well in math. Test were given on two different days.
    Funny thing is she was a good reader and terrible at math. The teacher said the math test that year was really simple more so than other years. As for the reading test we figured she was just having a off day when that was given as the teacher said she was one of the better readers in the class.
    So since she tested lowish the school put her in a remedial reading class. They also have it for math too. She could not get remedial math because she tested well.
    We moved to Maryland and they did not have the remedial help. IMO the level of education in Maryland was really a good bit behind the state we moved from.
    Daughter gets to high school and she is doing terrible at math. Since we moved back to our home state she got remedial math in high school too.
    She was never a whiz at math but did get enough to be able to pass the tests that were required for her to graduate and help her get through college.

    I am happy that KY is stepping it up and doing something about the lax, lazy or negligent homeschooling parents.


  11. Sometimes Nicole claims that such and such child is taking over the bookkeeping. Other times it’s a different child. But then two months later, she writes a blog and includes advice about using an app for bookkeeping and money management because thats what she does and its so easy. There are multiple posts wherein she speaks about using a bookkeeping app for her business. So that’s the extent of her children’s math and bookkeeping – a fucking app.

    She’s just terrible at lying, why does she even bother?

    I recall an embarrassing Q&A Facebook live. Her second daughter – ten at the time – was present, as were the little wild ones, all at home, inside the old shed. One child proudly declared that he was 5 years-old. Everyone praised him. Then, the 10 year-old child said, “____, Im five times older than you!” Nicole corrected her, and after she trying to quickly break down this very basic math problem in an impromptu lesson, she asked the girl slowly, “So, then, what is 5 x 2? Or 5, two times?” The child couldnt do it.


  12. The problem we will always face with homeschool laws, is that more than half the population of kids homeschooling have special needs. Physical and intellectual challenges, learning disabilities, autism, personality disorders, emotional regulation issues.

    It’s a TOUGH population to make rules for…because so many of these parents are doing their best and really doing what’s in the best interest of their kids….and sometimes it won’t look like much on paper. Legislators tend to favor these parent’s special needs…because they have some clout and they have public’s sympathy….and rightly so.

    Unfortunately, there are opportunists like the Naugs who take advantage of special rules made for special circumstances…..and abuse them. They live in a loophole.

    They remind me of idiots who dress their pets in “therapy animal” vests bought on Ebay…just to take their pets with them anywhere they want…….when there is no documented disability.

    Nicole’s correct that the kids will never need an Algebra teacher. Emotionally and intellectually crippled, neglected kids who have been taught to fear the world…will not go to college. They will not have math or science based careers. They will not take the ACT or SAT to get into a good school, or even a community college. They will not go into trades, because trade apprenticeships now require the ACT or SAT. They will not get jobs where they need to use their heads. They will do manual labor and unskilled creative projects. The Naugler parents have effectively raised the next generation of carnival workers.

    I keep trying to tell myself…people have a right to give their children the future they choose for them. And adult children have a right to reject their roots and do better for themselves, and there is help available to assist those willing to try.

    The Naugs will make it as hard as possible for their kids to escape a state of dependence. This wasn’t an accident.

    Unfair as it is…sick as it is…cruel as it is….they’ll “reap what they sow”. And more and more…I’m ok with that.


  13. It is incredibly sad that these children will be lacking the basic education they need in the future. Most will probably never leave the shitstead. Which I believe Nicnog is fine with! My feeling is that homeschooling laws should be the same state to state. No states with such lax laws that parents choose to live in a certain state because of this like the Naugler and Turpin parents.

    In the far off future she will post:
    May 2038
    “kid’s name” turned 39 today! Happy Birthday! Thanks being such a big a help on the shitstead and never leaving home! In other news, he starts a new job at Burger King working the drive-thru window…we are so proud of him. #unschooling #blessedtohaveallmychildrenstilllivingwithme


  14. I hate to see so many kids being failed by their mothers.

    I think the kids are being failed by their parents/guardians. If the mother is the one staying at home and educating the kids, then their father still has a stake in the outcome. And vice versa.

    I suspect that’s what you meant, but just in case Joe is reading – it pertains to you and the shitty job you’re doing as a parent and educator. Yes, I used the word shitty very deliberately.

    In the far off future she will post:
    May 2038
    “kid’s name” turned 39 today! Happy Birthday! Thanks being such a big a help on the shitstead and never leaving home! In other news, he starts a new job at Burger King working the drive-thru window…we are so proud of him. #unschooling #blessedtohaveallmychildrenstilllivingwithme

    That child will still be a bigger success than Joe.


  15. This is so sad. Her children instead of learning off the backs of giants must instead reinvent the wheel everyday. The son who had to teach himself about measurements in his mid to late teens could of been so much farther along with his passion had he already knew the basics. Nicole then states that he is now teaching his younger siblings math. That’s all well and good, but why couldn’t Nicole and Joe teach him?? Why is she even allowing him to teach his younger siblings when she is so into not teaching??? She just doesn’t make sense.

    Nicole just doesn’t understand that math and reading are basic skills, the spring board to a easier life. She doesn’t feel the need to push them. Did she push them to be potty trained? Did she push them to wash their hands after they wipe their butt? Did she even teach them that skill??

    She’s all into natural. Does she not realize in the natural world parents push their kids? Birds push the birds out of their nest, cats teach their kittens to hunt. Human parents push their children to succeed and be better than the last generation. That’s our job as parents. Nicole thinks her only job is to love them. That is the easy part. Provide for them. And not just the basics. Work your ass off for their education. Fine if it’s home schooling, if you actually do it. It takes time and money.

    I can’t imagine where my nine kids would be if they didn’t figure out about measurements until their mid teens. But then again I can’t imagine my kids not sleeping in clean beds or not having a bath after being in the woods all day.

    My family is very very close. We didn’t Home school. None got involved in drugs. None gave us any problems in their teens. They have all been to college and we did it with no loans. Our youngest is 28 this month and has a masters in health administration and is now interviewing for medical school. Two of our kids are pilots for fun. A passion they developed while being in scouts. All seven boys have made eagle. One done is a nurse, another is a teacher. Our oldest is a mechanical engineer. Our fourth oldest is also a engineer, but for Union Pacific RR and drives a train and boy are his kids proud. Our oldest girl is a wife and mom to four kids and a yoga instructor in her spare time (she got her degree in physical education). Another son was in the military (and has a masters in languages) and then in a three initial government job until illness. Another son is a electrician and another son is a programmer in SV. All but three are married (two are getting married this year). All speak more than one language. All play actual musical instruments. One actually plays in a heavy metal band on the weekends. Two of our children have special quirky talents. One can play any instrument. He sat down at a piano of a friends house at age five and played what was playing on the radio. I wasn’t there when it happened. My neighbor called me over and we both watched amazed as he played good bye yellow brick road. We put on another song and he did it too. Come to find out my husbands mother also has this talent. She was not surprise as her dad had this talent. This son also can draw and paint anything. The son that went into the military is able to pick up languages. My own grandpa who I never met spoke seven languages. Our son only needs to be around someone for a day or two. We had neighbors who’re were from Iran and spoke Farsi. Their son and our son were best friends from age two. He picked it up so easy. By the time he was 8 he was speaking Spanish, Farsi and Italian. We found if we exposed him to other speakers he picked it up. So we did. He was so good at languages that while in the military (we didn’t want him to join) the government sought him out. He also flew helicopters. Those two sons never had to take a class on their abilities. It was just in them. We did have to sit on them for other things like doing homework.
    Our kids were never really into team sports like baseball, soccer, football. They did play basketball, but just at church. They didn’t have a lot of have to be somewhere at a certain time activities either. They all had interests from 4H, scouting, diving, shooting, music, art, horseback riding, chickens, gardening, gold panning, fishing, back packing, camping, bikes, cars, travel, etc..
    Between all nine kids there are over 50 years of education between them. And thank goodness they learned off the back of giants and didn’t have to reinvent the wheel everyday. Oh and they did it for the most part without google and YouTube (our oldest is 43 this year and our youngest is 28 this year).

    Our family is so close that when each of our kids got married they and their spouse came and lived with us (after they were married for one solid year on their own) so that they could finish school and save to buy a house. It’s very expensive here in the Bay Area and most kids have to either move in with family or borrow from their parents to buy a home and rent here is out of sight.

    So you can have a large family, be close and still go to public schools, even and especially UCB, UCSF, UCLA, UCD, Harvey Mudd, Humbolt BYU and UCEB. They have all traveled the world (I haven’t, my husband has). All the boys went on missions that they paid for themselves, Russia, France, Argentina, Mexico, NY, Ghana, and Peru. They have seen poverty and have and still do volunteer for their fellow man.

    So Nicole shove up your hashtag large family life, hashtag unschooling, hashtag living off grid.

    Instead hashtag Reinventing the wheel.

    Ugh didn’t mean to go on about my kids but I’m so sick of her thinking that everyone who sends their kids to school is wrong to do so. Ugh


  16. The 1/4 and 5/8 thing is she serious??? Obviously 5/8 is more than half (4/8) or more than 50% of the whole. 1/4 is well 1/4 or 25% of the whole. Pretty easy to eyeball and figure out which fraction is larger.


  17. Nicole then states that he is now teaching his younger siblings math.

    Uh, no. She doesn’t say he’s teaching them math. She says he’s “quizzing” them on those measurement tables. Memorizing a measurement table is not math.


  18. Good parents want their kids to do well in life. Sometimes I think all parents should be tested and if any sign of the “Don’t get above your raising” bullshit mentality turns up, a CPS file should be opened and not closed until the kid leaves home.

    I hope the Naugler children become good adults.


  19. Once upon a time, a math teacher told a class full of us whining students that the point of algebra wasn’t because we would use it throughout our lives, but instead taught our brains to think in different ways. It taught us logic and gave us the ability to look at problems from multiple angles and THAT was the benefit we would forever use throughout life. True or not, I slogged through all of those classes…and didn’t even have to “think” about whether 1/4 or 5/8 was larger. Does she find it necessary to google what’s larger, a golfball vs baseball, too?

    On another note, my husband was the “student left behind.” He is smart, picks up new things fast, but in school he fell behind, stayed behind and barely graduated. The one thing his parent’s taught him well was you work hard. Hardest working man I’ve ever met. The things he needs to learn, he can and does. He’s now managing his second company, in a completely seperate industry than the first, both of which he started at the bottom. Point being, a lack of education can be overcome, but it takes constant hard work. An ethic I get the feeling isn’t strongly modeled for these kids.

    Parents screw up every day. Nobody does everything right, but for the love of god, give them SOMETHING!


  20. I was under the impression that you have to learn fundamentals before you can be a book keeper…
    But what do i know….
    Here is what my kindergartener came home with this week…she’s 5

    they are giving her little brain the building blocks to be able to process numbers and have to be able to understand certain things before you can move on….that’s just math.
    She is capable of it….not because she has a natural curiosity to color in boxes associated with a numerical value…but because her teacher knows she is and i trust her teacher and together Stellas education is our common ground our focus. THATS why school matters…Education IS important…catching problems early IS important..School is a great resource for catching problems early….and yes…if your 5 year old can’t spell their own name…it may not be a problem right this second…but it sure is a sign of what’s to come.

    She is instilling in her children her love of education…of learning…of homesteading….of parenting….just look at her facebook page, it’s where all the best parents show they are the best parents.


  21. a class full of us whining students that the point of algebra

    And the teacher was totally right. Higher math, even if you don’t use it because you become a musician, teaches you how to solve problems logically and systematically. Students who study lots of math do well in other subjects too.

    We took Nathan right up to trig. We didn’t finish it. He hated math, but he did it anyway. He also hated making his bed and taking out the trash, but he did those things too. Furthermore, he hated it when he got bruised fingers from playing the guitar, or when he simply could NOT figure out how to do a line in a song, but he’d learned how to get through something you don’t like in order to gain a goal you will like.


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